Realistic alt ceiling!!!

[Khnemu]

In AH2 i hope the alt ceiling will be implimented.

I'm not and air guru, but i know that most of these planes did not/could not fly as high as they do in this game.  

but then i get nose bleeds and ear pop at anything over 20k, unless i'm buff hunting at hq

for example, 40k buffs? get serious. spits at 30k for real?eek:

like i said i am not all knowledgeable, but alt ceiling should be as realistic as possible.

[SKurj]

Spits did fly that high I have a biography of a spit pilot, who flew top cover (at 29k) for P51's on ground attack duty...  So I think we can assume that 1k was easily attainable.

Buffs did fly at 30k, evidence has been posted in these boards however!!  40k is abit extreme, but either way...  Do you know how long it takes to get to 40k?  Have you ever tried to bomb anything from that high?

Any buff at 30+k is not worth the time of day... ignore em


SKurj

[Furball]

Originally posted by Khnemu

spits at 30k for real?eek:

why does everyone assume Spits in AH are low alt fighters? Spit V service ceiling = 37,000 feet,    IX = 43,000 feet,   XIV = 44,500 feet

If they were low alt fighters they would have the clipped wings

[GRUNHERZ]

Bf109G6 with GM1 could get up to almost 47,000 feet...

[OIO]

38's had 44k ceiling.

[Karnak]

You know less than you think you do.

Wing Cdr R.R.S. Tuck did some liason work with the USAAF in 1941 (before we were in it) and he was describing dogfights in BoB era aircraft above 30,000ft to the horrfied Americans.

You see, we didn't have a good oxygen mask and so our pilots loathed going above 10,000ft.


But the point is that Spitfire Mk Is and Bf109Es were already fighting above 30,000ft in 1940.  Ceilings only when up from there.

[Midnight]

rather than always point out what fighters did have high alt ceilings, why don't we talk about the planes that did not? Or how about we just get the oxygen systems modeled in the planes that had them and letthe planes with out have some difficulties. It seems to me that those planes (like La7) have a lot of advantage at low alt, and do not suffer too much at higher alts either.

[hazed-]

Originally posted by Midnight
rather than always point out what fighters did have high alt ceilings, why don't we talk about the planes that did not? Or how about we just get the oxygen systems modeled in the planes that had them and letthe planes with out have some difficulties. It seems to me that those planes (like La7) have a lot of advantage at low alt, and do not suffer too much at higher alts either.

absolutely agree again midnight. sheesh this is getting to be a habit

[Swoop]

How would HT model a crappy oxygen system?


I've never experienced oxygen starvation, what happens?  

[Karnak]

You pass out and eventually you die if you don't get more oxygen.

[ccvi]

Everything feels a bit heavy, and don't try to move your head too fast...



Oh, and btw, does anyone know what definition of "service ceiling" is used to obtain that numbers? Standard definition of climb rate dropping to 100 feet/min? The possible speed range for level flight is pretty small up there.

[JB73]

You know this brings up a concern of mine....

These planes could supposedly fly that high (40k) but have you ever done that in some planes here in AH?

Take the ME163. Go to 40k and level off. Dive to about 38k to build just a bit of speed and look at your airspeed indicator.

The 1 needle will be upwards of 550mph or higher. The other needle will be right around 250 or less. You will also have almost NO attitude control. If you do manage to pull up a bit… POOF back to tower.

Now take the 163 to 38k and dive on a 35k bomber. That’s only a 3k alt drop but you will lose your plane there too.


Try a 109g10. Try and get above 35k in it. You won’t be able to keep the plane from flipping over from the engine torque. Forget WEP, you will lose complete control (even manually trimming) you will basically not be able to climb more than 100f/min at 35k.


What about the 190d9? Compression will start almost immediately at 36k or higher. You put that nose down even 10 deg. and the whole cockpit starts shaking.


Now these planes I mentioned are the late war "uber" rides. In this post someone mentioned 190 E's going to 30k and fighting above there. No way in AH could you do that. You’d rip the wings off or lose complete control. I'm not sure what causes this… the model of the atmosphere or the plane, but something seems awry, Especially with the 163.

Oh well my 2¢

[ccvi]

In AH the wind sound and the shaking does not depend on IAS but on TAS. That's what adds a huge psycological effect on flying up there.

Also control surfaces seem to be able to perform the same changes of attitude as at sea level. At the extremely high TAS this results in really large Gs, fast changes of speed and then quick loss of control.

[JB73]

Originally posted by ccvi
...adds a huge psycological effect on flying up there.

i understand the point of what you said except this.

to me there is no psycological effect while flying AH (except the rush of RTB with 20+ kills LOL )

the things i mentioned were based on tests i did offline after some real odd stuff in the MA.

Originally posted by ccvi
[BAlso control surfaces seem to be able to perform the same changes of attitude as at sea level. At the extremely high TAS this results in really large Gs, fast changes of speed and then quick loss of control.[/B]

i am wondering if you are saying this is incorrect? if so why? i dont have any real life flight knowledge but if what happens in AH above 35k happens IRL all the pilots would have died IMHO.

[GScholz]

Originally posted by ccvi
In AH the wind sound and the shaking does not depend on IAS but on TAS. That's what adds a huge psycological effect on flying up there.

Also control surfaces seem to be able to perform the same changes of attitude as at sea level. At the extremely high TAS this results in really large Gs, fast changes of speed and then quick loss of control.

Which of course is wrong. IAS is the true force of air on your control surfaces, not TAS.