Author Topic: AH Fighters - Roll Rate Charts!! (Read 1785 times)

Stegahorse · « **Reply #15 on:** June 30, 2003, 01:40:31 AM »

That is what AH has set, but in real life the P-47 had the best roll rate of all american and european fighters. Fact!

GScholz · « **Reply #16 on:** June 30, 2003, 02:30:54 AM »

Really? It could outroll a 190? ... I think not.

F4UDOA · « **Reply #17 on:** June 30, 2003, 09:37:59 AM »

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but in real life the P-47 had the best roll rate of all american and european fighters. Fact!

Prove it!!

frank3 · « **Reply #18 on:** June 30, 2003, 10:35:59 AM »

I wouldnt say that too fast stegahorse, nothing wrong the jug rollrate, but fastest?

Red Tail 444 · « **Reply #19 on:** June 30, 2003, 08:53:36 PM »

I heard the same thing, but it was on the Hx channel, so...go figure...heard the same from some jug pilots in St. paul a few years ago for a Jug convention.

Still, need the paper to back it up

Gainsie

Kweassa · « **Reply #20 on:** June 30, 2003, 10:41:43 PM »

Hi guys, sorry for the long no response.

These data were collected during a period of long time, and Kingcat admits that there could be possible errors over time. Thus, he's willing to do some more tests, and asks the community that what the objective test conditions of AH environment would be.

The current roll rate chart was tested at 10k, 100% fuel with no fuel burn, he says.

For the "interesting points" I've noted, well, I admit I bought the hype

. For some reason(probably accounts from P-47 pilot anecdotes...) that I always assumed that the P-47 was the fastest rolling American fighter.

Also, I always thought over about 400mph, the P-47 would outroll the Fw190.

..

As for the user-made film viewer, here's the link:

knob32's custom film viwer

Some of the texts are in Japanese, so there might be some trouble for those who may want to try it out.. but basically once you momorize what the buttons do, you'll get the hang of it

It's compressed in lzh format - is that a common format in the US, too? It seems to be preferred over zip formats in Japan.

This film view makes a simplified 3D presentation with all corresponding flight data displayed - sort of like a 3D black box, if you will.

LLv34_Camouflage · « **Reply #21 on:** July 01, 2003, 01:07:12 AM »

Great job with the charts! The P38 seems a bit "interesting" to me as well.

Camo

JBA · « **Reply #22 on:** July 01, 2003, 02:05:55 PM »

Great job!!

I like that you can overlay as many planes as you would like to compare.

Thanks

Glasses · « **Reply #23 on:** July 01, 2003, 09:27:06 PM »

in AH over 400 the Jug outrolls the 190 but the 190 outdives the Jug below 20k

Tilt · « **Reply #24 on:** July 02, 2003, 09:17:33 AM »

very interesting................

I won't try to out roll Spits any more when I am in Russian planes below 250mph..........

Kweassa · « **Reply #25 on:** July 02, 2003, 03:12:10 PM »

Here's some more of Kingcat's goodies!

Acceleration rate comparison charts

Test altitude is sea level(under 500ft), fuel load 50% no fuel burn

MANDOBLE · « **Reply #26 on:** July 02, 2003, 03:21:40 PM »

109G10 outaccelerating La7 at sea level ??

Kweassa · « **Reply #27 on:** July 02, 2003, 03:27:52 PM »

Some intersting comparisons..

* Damn, the Ta152, is about as good as the P-47 in acceleration.. I knew they weren't exactly drag racers, but never thought they'd suck that big.

* Also, I always thought P-51s didn't accelerate too good. Well, according to test comparison at sea level, the P-51B and D out-accelerates all 109s except the G-10, from about 225mph and upwards! Only from 0 to 225mph, the conventional 109s are better in acceleration!

* Hmm.. the long debate about acceleration comparisons between our 190A-5 and the Spit9. At sea level, the AH Spit9 out accelerates the 190A-5 from 0 to about 240mph. From 240mph onwards, the 190 has the advantage, but small enough to be negligable. These two planes have almost same accel. rates...

* Yup, the Spit14's a monster alright! Very close to the G-10..

* So which is the better plane? The N1K2 it seems. Almost same with the Spit9 in military power, but a considerable margin of acceleration advantage with WEP engaged! Oh, and they accelerate about as fast as 109s, too! Very simular to the G-6 and the F-4..

* From about 230mph to upwards, the unmatched king of accel, is the 262! Guess that's the speed range where those jets really begin to work up..!

Kweassa · « **Reply #28 on:** July 02, 2003, 03:30:32 PM »

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109G10 outaccelerating La7 at sea level ??

Neat, ain't it?

From about 0 to 250mph, the G-10 has the adv it seems..

But since both of those two planes reach 250mph very fast.. the La-7 catches up with G-10 real fast, too... at least, that's my interpretation.

Man.. I guess that MW50 really is some powerful shi*!

MANDOBLE · « **Reply #29 on:** July 02, 2003, 05:36:52 PM »

Kweassa, these graphs show La7 and G10 with same acceleration on WEP at 310 mph sea level, and almost the same at 360 mph. 190D9 max roll rate is also equivalent to 190A5/A8 at any speed (and different than 190F8). At least these two graphs are way different than the results of my tests in DA at different heights and speeds.