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Offline Udie

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« Reply #15 on: June 27, 2003, 12:12:02 PM »
Haven't heard anybody complaining about afgan and that's been almost 2 years now.  We don't even have the power on in Iraq yet.  So it's going to be a long haul,  why would anybody think it could be done in 2 months?

 Almost 2 years ago when Bush declaired the war on terror,  what part of "It will be a long fight" did people not understand?  This whole war on terror will probably last 20 years or more.  Then we'll have another generation of people who will raise their kids to hate america like the Euro's....

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« Reply #16 on: June 27, 2003, 12:54:41 PM »
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Haven't heard anybody complaining about afgan and that's been almost 2 years now.


The media hype has kept people still inspirated and afganistan is hardly a bad place, considering that nobody really liked talibans in the middle east..

It's yet to be seen whether Iraq will be little bit tougher with the guerrilla warfare, since as a nation, it was much better built up than the talibans afganistan.
Theres actually some support for saddam... compared to talibans.
and hes still out there with a bunch of his commanders and lots of pissed off troops loyal to saddam.
(plus those whackos from other middle east countries coming to Iraq to have their Jihad....)

I wouldn't expect any big guerrilla war in Iraq though, albeit it can well be persistant for a longer while in a such small scale we're seeing it right now.
It's hard to say, when theres no information at all about Saddam loyalists organization at the moment.
If Saddam is alive, hiding in Iraq and not wussying in a hideout, he could very well put up some better organized guerrilla warfare than those ahmed doe's without a leader, who just goes and shoots whatever looks american till they get shot... unless someone has a better idea.

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« Reply #17 on: June 27, 2003, 01:40:26 PM »
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exactly what I was thinking.


I want to know if your opinion will change when your friend will come back without his legs. Or when your neighbour will arrive dressed in zinc as a "cargo 200", 10 months after your president derlared "victory".

I admire your media, and it's ability to manipulate public opinion. Even if it's free as you tell me ad nauseum - it's like an "opium for the people", to reduce the pain and make the world a happy idiot's daydream, simple and clear and easy.

:(

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« Reply #18 on: June 27, 2003, 01:49:10 PM »
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Then we'll have another generation of people who will raise their kids to hate america like the Euro's....


Yep.
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« Reply #19 on: June 27, 2003, 01:53:08 PM »
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I want to know if your opinion will change when your friend will come back without his legs. Or when your neighbour will arrive dressed in zinc as a "cargo 200", 10 months after your president derlared "victory".

I admire your media, and it's ability to manipulate public opinion. Even if it's free as you tell me ad nauseum - it's like an "opium for the people", to reduce the pain and make the world a happy idiot's daydream, simple and clear and easy.

:(

Your concern for the welfare of US troops is touching.

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« Reply #20 on: June 27, 2003, 02:10:40 PM »
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I want to know if your opinion will change when your friend will come back without his legs. Or when your neighbour will arrive dressed in zinc as a "cargo 200", 10 months after your president derlared "victory".

I admire your media, and it's ability to manipulate public opinion. Even if it's free as you tell me ad nauseum - it's like an "opium for the people", to reduce the pain and make the world a happy idiot's daydream, simple and clear and easy.

:(


No, my opinion won't change at all.

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« Reply #21 on: June 27, 2003, 03:10:39 PM »
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I admire your media, and it's ability to manipulate public opinion. Even if it's free as you tell me ad nauseum - it's like an "opium for the people", to reduce the pain and make the world a happy idiot's daydream, simple and clear and easy.


The old soviet times...  the sunny leaders told where to go and people went there.. was it siberia, coal mine, war or another town.
People just had to do what was told..


Kind of makes even your worst media propaganda hallucinate of yours sound like a dream compared to old soviet style.
At least people are with the goverment then and not being pushed around regardless of their opinion.
So it's all merry life.


You really should learn one thing: western media doesnt manipulate people, its free press, but it's the ones who manipulates media.

Most media goes with the highlight news.
Whats more highlight than live speech from Mr. Bush talking crap every now and then and midst of it doing wars for the higlhight news and other pulls to keep the citizens attention there where wanted, instead of those issues where you don't want citizens to get their attention to.

..and the masses are predictable sheeps.


So if you want to congratule something for manipulating, you should look at the Bush administration, whoever in there is yanking the chains.
Bush Jr. is probably worst presidents USA has had, but he seems to have the best people to make up his status... the best manipulators you can get as the US president, something the others didnt have.
The way his lil' helpers have manipulated masses of USA, is admirable, but meanwhile also stinks badly.

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« Reply #22 on: June 27, 2003, 03:15:24 PM »
I don't know about you guys, but I expected a fully functioning, competent, fair Iraqi government to be in place the day Bush declared the combat phase over.

I mean, what's taking so long?

How come every Iraqi doesn't have a new car, a new home and two chickens in every pot by now?

Jeez, what an incredible failure!
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« Reply #23 on: June 27, 2003, 03:19:43 PM »
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I want to know if your opinion will change when your friend will come back without his legs. Or when your neighbour will arrive dressed in zinc as a "cargo 200", 10 months after your president derlared "victory".

I admire your media, and it's ability to manipulate public opinion. Even if it's free as you tell me ad nauseum - it's like an "opium for the people", to reduce the pain and make the world a happy idiot's daydream, simple and clear and easy.

:(



Everytime you make one of these stupid posts it answers my question of how the once strong and proud Soviet Union became the POS it is,

thanks.

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« Reply #24 on: June 27, 2003, 05:03:45 PM »
the rest of the hand wriggin world needs to just shut their pie hole, stand back and watch how the #1 country in the world & her allies gets the job done

to the men and women on the ground making it happen & making the rest of us proud
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« Reply #25 on: June 27, 2003, 05:38:58 PM »
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the rest of the hand wriggin world needs to just shut their pie hole, stand back and watch how the #1 country in the world & her allies gets the job done

to the men and women on the ground making it happen & making the rest of us proud


At the current rate the #1 country is making alot of enemies and not so good friends....

Bush is rotten POS.

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« Reply #26 on: June 27, 2003, 05:41:04 PM »
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At the current rate the #1 country is making alot of enemies and not so good friends....

Bush is rotten POS.


Fishu, how dare you, a European, call our President a rotten POS. That's for us, as US citizens to decide.




Hmmmm. Yup, rotten POS it is.

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« Reply #27 on: June 27, 2003, 05:49:37 PM »
Amen, Eagler!

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I want to know if your opinion will change when your friend will come back without his legs. - Boroda


No. If the horrors and sacrifices of war had anything to do with the validity or purpose of a war, there wouldn't be any wars.

Boroda, I think you are still tangling Iraqi issues up with Chechnya. That is a terribly painful thing going on over there, so I can understand, but the issues are so totally different.

Casualty rates are not comparable, either.


One more thing. A lot of the people who say they hate America and call Bush a POS would be like that EVEN IF AMERICA HADN'T LIBERATED IRAQ. It goes with the territory.
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« Reply #28 on: June 27, 2003, 06:00:37 PM »
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I want to know if your opinion will change when your friend will come back without his legs. Or when your neighbour will arrive dressed in zinc as a "cargo 200", 10 months after your president derlared "victory".

I admire your media, and it's ability to manipulate public opinion. Even if it's free as you tell me ad nauseum - it's like an "opium for the people", to reduce the pain and make the world a happy idiot's daydream, simple and clear and easy.

:(


As if Pravda or the Russian Armyu Newspaper is any better.  Then to top it off, we have a wannabe Commie trying to tell others how to stabilize a country, when it is notorious of his own country to cause upheaval, economic strife, and mass persecution....  

I think I have seen it all.

Tell ya what Boroda, when it comes to mass executions, civil oppression, or supporting terrorism, you can offer an opinion, until then keep your snotty opinions to yourself.  :mad:
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« Reply #29 on: June 27, 2003, 10:38:54 PM »
Most supprising things in this war to me.

Turkish refusal to allow northern front through their land.

That largest resistance was OUTSIDE Bagdad.

The survivablility of US ground vehicles. The Bradley routinly survived RPG hits. Increadable. And very very demoralizing I would imagine to the Iraqis.

The increadable diplomatic win of the decisive US victory. little bit of a tease in there but really the US army are the Prussians of our time. That was a phenominal victory. There was no doubt. anywhere. The Iraqis got cocky and fought and they got hammered not from orbit..but almost man to man. Lots of leaders in the world looked at their military leaders across the table and raised thier eye brows. Options obviosly changed.

US replacment of the occupying administration almost imediatly(2 weeks?) love to be a fly on the walll at that one.

Terrorist attacks in Saudi Arabia,  they were obviosly inspired to move that country higher up on the US list of targets but instead moved that country stongly into the anti terror camp. Enormous misscalculation. Enormous win for Bush and co.

But,
anyone that is supprised at the quickening resistance to US and British rule didnt think about it very much.

It is easy for the iraqi resistance to deny the US the effective export of oil indefinalty.

Unless they some how convince the Iraqis to stop being muslims they will pay to the tune of 400 troops a year dead, maybe 2000 injured, triple those numbers for the Iraqis.

If they dont stablalize a local goverment in Afganistan in the near future we can look forward to the same thing there. Only with Canadian deaths.