Why we need the Polikarpove I-16 Ratta.

[Downtown]

So the VVS guys won't feel Left Out.

No one will ever call it an Uber Ride.

I love a good challenge.

NO OTHER AIRCRAFT SIM HAS MODELED THIS AIRCRAFT AND AH COULD BE THE FIRST.

Open Cocpit, Whoo Hoo.

Red and Green contrast each other.

Make all the Spit Geeks and LW Conspirators feel guilty shooting them down.

Many women think its cute.

*****NOTE.

I don't know how the <E> got on the end of Polikarpov.  Edited for content.

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"I could feel the 20MM Cannon impacting behind me so I made myself small behind the pilot armor" Charlie Bond AVG


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[Carrot]

 

NO OTHER AIRCRAFT SIM HAS MODELED THIS AIRCRAFT AND AH COULD BE THE FIRST.

Not quite true.
luftwaffe Commander did it.  But the FM was really bad. Like a 747 in its roll rate.



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Carrot
RNZAF
"Outta my way!! Lawndart in Progress."
 www.carrot.warbirds.org

[vonkjk]

 

vonkjk

[glars]

We may have something in this part of the world that may interest you.

How'd you like to buy one?

How'd you like to buy five?

 

Restored from wreckage recoved in Russia, these six I-16's constitute the only flying examples in the world. All were test flown in Russia before having their wings removed and transported by train across Siberia to Novisibirsk and on via ship to Hong Kong and New Zealand.

Five of these exciting fighters are currently for sale with the sixth to remain on display in Wanaka.

 http://www.nzfpm.co.nz/aircraft/i16.htm]http://www.nzfpm.co.nz/aircraft/i16.htm[/URL" TARGET=_blank>

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 glarsmaps.warbirds.org



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[leonid]

Well, Pyro stated he wants to implement the La-5FN, so I don't think we'll be left out, but I know RedAnt would love to see it come out.  Many other VVS types, including myself, would be quite willing to fly this plane.

Did you know that this airplane outclimbed the Bf 109E?  It's biggest shortcoming was its low speed, so slow in fact that a Ju 88 could outrun it.

Finally, the term 'Rata' is not generally known in Russia when describing the I-16 (found this out from personal experience).  The nicknames they preferred were:

o Mushka - 'fly'.
o Yastreb - 'hawk'.
o Yastrebok - 'little hawk'.

[brendo]

You came here in that? You're braver than I thought....

[Flathat]

To glars--how much?  

I believe I've heard of three marks of I-16: I-16m10, m18, and m24 or something like that. The M18 at least was reputed to have some pretty impressive firepower, maybe even cannon. Perhaps someone who knows better could straighten me out.  

I know eventual inclusion of I-16s and Buffaloes would make at least *some* people   around here happy....

Flathat
'Black Dahlia'
No10 RNAS "The Black Flight"
Angel on your wing, devil on your tail

PS-- *I'd* fly it. I love early birds.  

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[-bmbm-]

I-16 would indeed be a neat bird.
Was dubbed "Ishak" btw, meaning "Little Donkey".

Length:              6.13 m (20' 1")
 Height:              2.57 m (8' 5")
Wingspan:            9.18 m (29' 6")
Empty Weight:        1,412 kg (3,110 lb)
Operational Weight: 1,831 kg (4,034 lb)
 Maximum Speed:       463 km/h (288 mph)
Service Ceiling:     8,998 m (29,500')
Range:               805 km (500 miles)

Powerplant:          Shvetsov M-62R 1,000 hp 9 cylinder radial

Armament:
Two 7.62 mm machine guns, two 20 mm cannon
External bombload: None

It saw combat service in the 1935-39 Spanish Civil War, in Sino-Japanese war of 1937, in the Mongolian Incident of 1938, in the 1939-1940 Russo-Finnish war, and when Germany invaded the Soviet Union in June 1941 nearly two thirds of the Soviet Air Force fighter arm comprised I-16s.

The aircraft soon proved to be rather difficult to fly - it was almost unstable under all three axes, and had to be flown with ceaseless attention. On the plus side, its rolls and loops were so fast as to be quite startling.

It had hand-cranked landing gear (or take-off gear as it's known in The Other Sim), which forced the pilot to bend forward and crank hard for about 30 seconds, just like the F4F.

BTW, some sources state a top speed of 193 knots. 288 mph sounds awful fast for this ride.
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[Sascha JG 77]

 

Armament: Two 7.62 mm machine guns, two 20 mm cannon

I saw a documentary on Discovery the other day, where a french ace that flew the I 16 in the spanish civil war walked around one of the last (THE last?) plane that existed back then. He talked about armement as well and showed it too: 4x 7,62 mm : 2 in the cowling, 2 in the nose, left and right of the propeller.

hmm or was that the biplane?..Err..my memory is failing me..

Later versions supposedly carried 2x 20 mm Shvak only...at least that's what I read in some books on that bird. Anyone got more detailed armement specs for the different I-16 models?

Sascha JG 77 "Herz As!"

[Bad Omen]

From the book "Soviet Combat Aircraft, Vol 1:Single Engine Fighters:"

I-16 type 24
1,100HP
Speed @ sea level:273.4mph
Speed @ 15,750ft:303.8mph
Ceiling: 35,500ft
Turn time: 18sec
Takeoff roll:1312ft
Landing roll:590 ft
Armament:4x7.62mm

The type 18 was armed with 4x20mm
the type 12 and 17 had 2x20mm, 2x7.62mm

I gave PYRO the name of this new book and wher to buy it, as well as some really cool Soviet plans of the I-16 (and for that matter the La-5) so who knows? But I wouldn't expect it soon.;-)

[Brick]

Jeez... looks like a GeeBee racer with guns.  

It was the La5 that they called the laqoured (excuse my horrible spelling) coffin, right?  Something about a play on LaGG or close to it, eh?

Andy
 

[Bad Omen]

No Brick, the La-5, then its successor the La-7 were probably the best fighters of the Soviet VVS. The top aces mostly flew La's. It was the LaGG I believe that was the 'laquered coffins.'

[Sascha JG 77]

 

Jeez... looks like a GeeBee racer with guns.

Naw...the GeeBee looks much nicer.  

Sascha

[DOW_Cleaner]

FA2 Has the Ishak in it's sim. One bad to the bone plane, do not and I mean do not get into a turn fight with one. There thrust to weight ratio is astounding and there loop capabilty will make any 109 pilot shiver in his boots. Now if only AH has one stashed somewhere, muhahahahahahahahahahah...

The_Cleaner@DOW

[Stiglr]

A couple things:

It was the LaGG-3 that was sarcastically called the "Guaranteed Varnished Coffin".

This plane would be a great early war plane, especially if the A5M2 Claude were modelled for the Japanese, enabling Nomonhan Incident "pre-war" battles over China.

Then, of course, it could see service for early Barbarossa action, along with Stuka Bs and 109Es.

Throw in Brewster Buffalos and you get the Russian/Finland Winter War of 1939.

The I-16 (and I-153) is one much needed bird.

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