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« on: June 30, 2003, 03:29:13 AM »
Eh eh, did you expected some US bashing here???

Sorry to delude you.

After the dark period of the Iraqi war, an action of light from the US foreign policy.

I am talking about the weight that US have thrown on the table to push the Palestinians and the Israelis to stop the butchering and try a new way.

It's just a start, but.... maybe.... let's hope.

WTG, US!

And WTG Israel and Palestine to give a try with this "road map".

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« Reply #1 on: June 30, 2003, 08:25:47 AM »
After the good the US and our allies have done and are doing  in Iraq, we now are moving to implement the "roadmap to peace" in the Mideast.

but don't you think we should get UN authorization first? :)
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« Reply #2 on: June 30, 2003, 08:55:30 AM »
Just find more on Condoleza Rice`s "Responsibilities of freedom" speeches - boils down to "You either support global US hegemony or are part of the axis of evil"

Oh and the US frowns upon bans on genetically modified food - which ogf course is patendet and can only e bought from US companies.

At one point, the USA will reach a critical mass of countries that have had enough - and then what ?

Scary if you ask me.
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« Reply #3 on: June 30, 2003, 09:15:48 AM »
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Just find more on Condoleza Rice`s "Responsibilities of freedom" speeches - boils down to "You either support global US hegemony or are part of the axis of evil"

Oh and the US frowns upon bans on genetically modified food - which ogf course is patendet and can only e bought from US companies.

At one point, the USA will reach a critical mass of countries that have had enough - and then what ?

Scary if you ask me.


Maybe Germany will step in again and start another world war and solve everything.

America where we are today as a direct result of being sucked into two world wars, thanks to Europeans.

Now our lesson has been learned and we are armed to the teeth.  Before the wars, we kinda just wanted to be left alone and .......were critized for being isolationists.

Oh well, all is good. At leat we don't have a nice country like China or Russia in our posistion. You ought to thank God for that.
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« Reply #4 on: June 30, 2003, 09:20:30 AM »
I'm afraid the europeans have already learned from two world wars..   america has yet to learn about big war on its soil :>

So I'll bet the US will be involved in the causes of next big war.
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« Reply #5 on: June 30, 2003, 09:32:07 AM »
What I find strange is seeing a governement using a sort of "coué method" with what look like a endless loop of : terrorism,freedom,war ... words I though exclusives  ....  

I know I should have not tried to translate a French sentence ... it look plain ugly in english :p
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« Reply #6 on: June 30, 2003, 09:50:09 AM »
any takers on which side will screw the pooch with this latest "peace"?

my money is on the pals and their enlightened leader fish-lips...

edit .. we as Americans do not think the Iraq war was "a dark period" nor will the Iraqis going forward
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« Reply #7 on: June 30, 2003, 10:08:20 AM »
Who bombed Pearl Harbour, Nuke?
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« Reply #8 on: June 30, 2003, 10:08:22 AM »
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What I find strange is seeing a governement using a sort of "coué method" with what look like a endless loop of : terrorism,freedom,war ... words I though exclusives  ....  

I know I should have not tried to translate a French sentence ... it look plain ugly in english :p


pax americana baby, learn it, live it, love it.
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« Reply #9 on: June 30, 2003, 10:15:41 AM »
Credit where credit is due. The Arab/Israeli problem needs solving and America has the influence to do it. The 'war on terror' isn't just about military action. It's about removing the reasons for it in the first place. Resolving or at least reducing violence in the middle east will take the sting out of any justification the terrorists use to murder people.

Depsite accusations of war mongering it's in America's and by definition everyone's interest for peace to be the norm. It's good for business apart from anything else.
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« Reply #10 on: June 30, 2003, 10:15:43 AM »
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Oh and the US frowns upon bans on genetically modified food - which ogf course is patendet and can only e bought from US companies.


not exactly, the USA wants the africans to grow the modified foods to feed millions of starving africans, (higher yield, less loss to disease and pests)
but the africans won't grow them because they can't export the food to europe.

which brings up the question,if africans are starving, why do they want to export food to europe?
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« Reply #11 on: June 30, 2003, 10:24:57 AM »
You'll find the Africans are not too happy about not being able to be self-sufficient in terms of crop growth - they would have to go to the GM companies with cap in hand for seeds every season. Also the US government could use the seed supply as leverage.

GM foods are looked at suspiciously in Europe - in fact all food issues are, ever since the BSE scares of the 80s and 90s.
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« Reply #12 on: June 30, 2003, 10:28:32 AM »
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not exactly, the USA wants the africans to grow the modified foods to feed millions of starving africans, (higher yield, less loss to disease and pests)
but the africans won't grow them because they can't export the food to europe.

which brings up the question,if africans are starving, why do they want to export food to europe?


Did you ever spoke to an American Farmer of Monsanto ?
He will explain you how great is it to have your in Monsanto hands ...
Beware of the cultural clash you will learn how Monsanto work daily with "their" farmer.
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« Reply #13 on: June 30, 2003, 06:46:39 PM »
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You'll find the Africans are not too happy about not being able to be self-sufficient in terms of crop growth - they would have to go to the GM companies with cap in hand for seeds every season. Also the US government could use the seed supply as leverage.




As opposed to  being not too happy about not being self-sufficient in terms of crop growth  now?
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« Reply #14 on: June 30, 2003, 06:54:24 PM »
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Oh and the US frowns upon bans on genetically modified food - which ogf course is patendet and can only e bought from US companies.



Whats wrong with the US frowning upon bans of a product we produce?  Why does it matter who holds the patents? If there was no ban, companies still wouldn't be forced to buy GM products from the US, it would be an option if they wanted to.  The market would decide, as it should.

Plus, the patents could be licensed.....like any other patent I suppose.

Now if there are concerns about the safety of the product, I can understand that point. If GM foods prove to be safe, banning it only because the US holds the patents would be a farce.
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