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Offline Bodhi

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« Reply #30 on: July 01, 2003, 04:07:12 PM »
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Bodhi(kharma?), you don't understand my point, as usually you, Westerners, do...

Just tell me - are you a big fan of nazism?...

do you really think that making an SS doctor a positive character is OK?...

I don't care about how they look at my compatriots, I know that my country have done many "not so good" things to Czechs, but praising military criminals is out of my understanding.


Boroda,

I understood your point just fine, what YOU fail to see is, like it has been pointed out by others, is that the Doctor, while in the SS, was in actuality a humanitarian caught up in the war.  Whether he was in the SS uniform or not, he was still a doctor.  

Am I a fan of naziism???  No, but neither am I a fan of Stalin, or Communism for that matter.  I consider them both to be on the same level, actually the Stalinists and Commies are probably a bit worse.  How many millions of people has your country killed for having the wrong ideals, skin color, or ethnic back ground.  You can slice this loaf any way you want Boroda, but in the end, your country should be listed amongst the worst culprits of genocide and mass murder.  The only reason you have not been ocupied and all been put on trial is that a major world war would erupt and kill billions.  

I guess the rest of eastern europe too can tell some wonderous tales of your wonderous socialist ideals being impressed over their will... ever wonder why they were in such a hurry for autonomy?  Christ first it was the Nazi Jack Boot, then it was the Communist left shoes...  :rolleyes:


As usual, your comments are baseles and generally offensive, and it makes one wonder what type of education you received growing up?  Uncle Stalin's best nursery rhymes?  You make me sick Boroda, being so proud of being a commissar, how many people have you "reeducated" and / or had sent off for the work camps out east?  Just remember, no matter what the government view on religion or theology is, there will be a day of reckoning that truly matters... hope you figure it out before then.

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« Reply #31 on: July 02, 2003, 10:17:54 AM »
Am I a fan of naziism??? No, but neither am I a fan of Stalin, or Communism for that matter. I consider them both to be on the same level, actually the Stalinists and Commies are probably a bit worse. How many millions of people has your country killed for having the wrong ideals, skin color, or ethnic back ground. You can slice this loaf any way you want Boroda, but in the end, your country should be listed amongst the worst culprits of genocide and mass murder.  

Commies worse then nazis?... Very sad. Usually I stop argueing with people who show such a high degree of ignorance and obviously suffered from heavy brainwashing, but some of your points are new for me and refreshing :mad:

The only reason you have not been ocupied and all been put on trial is that a major world war would erupt and kill billions.

It's beautiful. Brilliant. Your "land of free" showed such dedication and effort preparing for a nuclear war with my country, planning total destruction of Soviet major cities since 1947! So nice that international state terrorism that was, and still remains the main way of your foreign politics is excused by "fighting the evil commies". Millions of murdered Koreans, Vietnamese and other victims of your "crusade" must be happy you were saving them from "communism".

You know nothing about my country, you know nothing about Communism, and you still make conclusions about it, based on 50+ years of propaganda that inherited all the dr. Goebbels's lies. Very smart.

As usual, your comments are baseles and generally offensive, and it makes one wonder what type of education you received growing up? Uncle Stalin's best nursery rhymes?

As usual, your comments are baseless, agressive and stupid. What education did you get yourself? Church Sunday school? Lessons of hatered at the military camp? Go read some books.

You make me sick Boroda, being so proud of being a commissar, how many people have you "reeducated" and / or had sent off for the work camps out east?

If you have read my posts on this board, you had a chance to read my explainations about my status in my squad and wbfree.net project.

As every righteous American you still think that every Russian is a communist. Very smart. Who told you that? Your "free press" that still is in chains of corrupt ideology and political warfare?

I am proud of Commissars of 1941, who preferred to die by torture then to tear their Commissar's Red Stars from their sleeves. I am proud of my Grandfather who was a true Communist. But I am not a Communist myself, I'll never vote for our modern commies and I don't want to go back to Soviet times.

Just remember, no matter what the government view on religion or theology is, there will be a day of reckoning that truly matters... hope you figure it out before then.


You have to understand that Communism is only another religion. It's the easiest way for people like you to get it.

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« Reply #32 on: July 02, 2003, 10:21:23 AM »
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2.  Not all SS men were criminals.  Especially someone who was probably running a field hospital patching up the wounded, not actually fighting.


All SS men were criminals. SS was declared a criminal organisation by the Nuremberg International Court.

Noone forced them to join the NSDAP armed forces.

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« Reply #33 on: July 02, 2003, 10:25:27 AM »
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But the starting scene with evil Russians and good and nice SS doctor is a little bit too much.


The Russians WERE evil. :-)

Excellent movie in my opinion. VERY well done. But I agree, although the love scenes should have been left out of the movie, they didn't detract too much from the main theme.

Stalingrad was also a great movie if you liked Dark Blue World. Not much air combat, but a great look at the German soldier's perspective of the war.

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« Reply #34 on: July 02, 2003, 10:43:47 AM »
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Stalingrad was also a great movie if you liked Dark Blue World. Not much air combat, but a great look at the German soldier's perspective of the war.


I really want to see the German "Stalingrad" movie. The Soviet-American "Stalingrad" made in late-80s was probably the worst of the Nikolay Ozerov's war movie :(

"Enemy at the gates" is a horrible mixture of lies :( Vasiliy Zaitsev wrote a book called "There's no land behind Volga for us". It dosn't have anything common with the movie. All the scenes with soldiers attacking with bare hands and "commissars" shooting them in the backs are figments of sick imagination... That bastards could live for no more then few seconds before they were lifted on bayonets if they behaved like that. Army "fence forces" (zagradotryad) were mostly catching deserters and, in fact, used as the last reserve on dangerous directions...

Intersting facts about that movie: the consultant for that movie had all his corrections ignored in favour of "popular history" hallucinations... That Veteran recieved $30 for his work. Thirty. Like Judas :mad: Certainly he refused to take it... Stalingrad Veterans organisation made a press release about "EATG". They said that it portrays Soviet soldiers as "brainless animals" and officers as "idiots and savages", and suggested to remove it from the theatres...

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« Reply #35 on: July 02, 2003, 11:10:00 AM »
Boroda,

I was talking about the "German" made movie Stalingrad.

You should find it and watch it. I thought it was very well done.

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« Reply #36 on: July 02, 2003, 11:11:20 AM »
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All the scenes with soldiers attacking with bare hands and "commissars" shooting them in the backs are figments of sick imagination... That bastards could live for no more then few seconds before they were lifted on bayonets if they behaved like that.


Anthony Beevor disagrees with you here Boroda.  He wrote the book "Stalingrad" which was a best seller for non fiction history.

I'll dig it out and get you some sources.
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« Reply #37 on: July 02, 2003, 11:13:02 AM »
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Boroda,

I was talking about the "German" made movie Stalingrad.

You should find it and watch it. I thought it was very well done.


is that the one where the German soldiers are speaking English with American accents?

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« Reply #38 on: July 02, 2003, 11:33:40 AM »
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is that the one where the German soldiers are speaking English with American accents?


Don't know because I didn't see it yet :)

Anyway I'll have to find an English version, I doubt that there is a decent Russian translation.

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« Reply #39 on: July 02, 2003, 11:35:37 AM »

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« Reply #40 on: July 02, 2003, 11:52:14 AM »
"You better start cutting trees for coffins, penalty batallions go into the breakthrough"... (c) V. Vysotsky.

Penalty batallions were a "copy" of German invention. AFAIK almost any army has/had such structures...

The article contains several... hmmm... let me call it "mistakes", while we all know it's called "lies".

First, Soviet Army losses were between 8 and 13 millions according to different sources.

Second, attack through the minefield in fact makes losses smaller. Zhukov surprised Eisenhower by saying he ordered an attack through the minefield in Berlin operation because engineering troops removing the mines had to work under enemy fire and gave Germans time to react on the attack. War is a cruel thing... :(

Penal army is a myth.

Execution without trial applied only to maradeurs and criminals caught in the act in the military zone.

There was no "win or be killed" in penal batallions. They had to "wash away their guilt with blood". Usually they were sent to ordinary regiments after a first wound or a heroic act that was awarded with a medal.

"Popular history" sucks, especially when it's full of propaganda.

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« Reply #41 on: July 02, 2003, 12:05:29 PM »
Hey I'll keep settin'em up, you keep knockin'em down.  :)

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« Reply #42 on: July 02, 2003, 12:30:48 PM »
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Hey I'll keep settin'em up, you keep knockin'em down.  :)


:)

No need setting anything up, the Net is full of interesting fairy-tales about Russians :)

The worst thing about it is that they started teaching such "popular history" at schools here :( and commie-"patriots" make it even worse by using old naive propaganda cliches to "beat" it :(

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« Reply #43 on: July 02, 2003, 12:38:03 PM »
Man, we are WAYYYYY off thread now.  Let's get back to the movie.  :rolleyes:
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« Reply #44 on: July 02, 2003, 03:13:47 PM »
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Man, we are WAYYYYY off thread now.  Let's get back to the movie.  :rolleyes:


Linda Rybova or Tara Fitzgerald?

There, now its back on track. ;)