Fuel Bunkers

[gofaster]

I personally think that the ROF for airfield flak should be increased, or at least arm the mannable guns with .50 cals.  Also, make the flak burst guns mannable.

[rshubert]

Originally posted by Grimm
Huh??

I think I missed your point....  

does that mean your agreeing with me?

LOL.  Oh, yes, you missed my point.  By about a mile.  No, no, never, no. I don't agree with your whine.  Or any of the others about how unbalanced the gameplay is, in their opinion.

I like it just fine the way it is.  Somebody ought to do a study on how many planes get shot down per fuel bunker on average.  I'll bet the number would astonish you.

On the other hand, there are a few Jabo pilots in here who can get the fuel and get away.  That's a skill set I am still working to develop.

[Grimm]

Originally posted by AcId
That may be true, but remember a while back when running a supply goon would practicaly rebuild an entire field. That caused a lot of complaints on how it was too easy to re-supply.

I'd hate to distract from the JABO roll of Attack AC but maybe some targets should only be able to be destroyed via level bombers? This would bring the fluff numbers back up, much to the dismay of Lazs but atleast it may make one work harder to take down the fuel.

Yes,  I agree,  at one time it was too easy to re-suppy.   Lets not return to that.    My vision is only to change the tactics needed.  

I think a concrete bunker,  as in a wall around the tank,  would make it more difficult to straff,  Jabo, or  Level bomb from a very low level.   Only bullets, rockets or eggs coming from a more vertical angle would do damage to a fuel tank.    

Adding to the number of tanks per feild would still mean each tank destroyed would have an effect on fuel availble,  but more tanks would need to destroyed to reduce a feild to 25%

[sax]

Originally posted by rshubert

On the other hand, there are a few Jabo pilots in here who can get the fuel and get away.  That's a skill set I am still working to develop.

You otta try working on your reading interpetation skills. There isn't any whine being posted here.
Grim is just bringing to light what most folks see as a problem within the game.

[Grimm]

Originally posted by rshubert
LOL.  Oh, yes, you missed my point.  By about a mile.  No, no, never, no. I don't agree with your whine.  

Hey thats OK...  I dont expect everyone to agree.   Im just looking at it as a possible way to improve gameplay.  

Whine?  well Im from Cheese country what do you expect?

[rshubert]

Originally posted by Grimm
Hey thats OK...  I dont expect everyone to agree.   Im just looking at it as a possible way to improve gameplay.  

Whine?  well Im from Cheese country what do you expect?

Oooooh...just noticed.  Please send me a wheel of that excellent sharp cheddar.



shubie

[rshubert]

Originally posted by sax
You otta try working on your reading interpetation skills. There isn't any whine being posted here.
Grim is just bringing to light what most folks see as a problem within the game.

somebody always starts the hatchet fight, sax.  Is today your day?

[Karnak]

beet1e,

Having a defender there doesn't change much unless said defender has been orbiting at 20,000ft.

I, unintentionally, found myself defending a field that was under attack by two P-38s.  I was already in the air and climbing in a Spitfire Mk IX when they came in (I didn't know they were coming when I upped).  Due to the speed they gained from their dive there was absolutely nothing I could do outside of desparation snapshots (I did hit one of their engines, but on a P-38 it doesn't matter) and they killed all of the fuel without difficulty.

The damaged one did eventually make the mistake of taking the fight horizontal and I killed him or he augered with me getting the kill.

[Tumor]

The fuel porking isn't the problem.  The fuel hardness isn't the problem.  The fuel re-up time isn't the problem.

The problem is the lack of willingness on the part of the defenders to organize defense.

For all intent and purposes, the MA is an ongoing war to control territory.  Killing off the fuel supplies as a means of easing the path to more territory is entirely acceptable as a strategic option of Airpower.

A side note to our "problem" is the Suicide Jabo pilot.  There's very little chance a single Jabo pilot (suicide or not) will survive killing all, or a majority of the field's fuel without dying himself.  We have entire squads who consider suicide runs against ack followed by suicide against fuel (and everything else) as entirely acceptable.

There is only one way to stop "these" problems.  That, is organized defense.  HTC has made it abundantly clear that they aren't going to take any serious steps to nix the Suicide guys (how could they?  I really don't see an option for HTC with respect to maintaining a player base).  

SO, as much as I hate porked fuel, and as much MORE as I hate the suicide idiots, MY real problem is the lack of willingness on the part of my own country to let these things happen in the first place.  

The same goes for CV's.  CV's are valuable assets to any country, yet every single time a CV gets in position to fight, you can bet a suicide group of 38's or 47's is going to show up and kill your CV.  YET, How often do we see a flight of Corsairs or Hellcats get up, extend to high alt and CAP the CV?  Almost never.  Who's fault is it the CV gets killed?

It's not the bad guys being unreasonable, they are just doing what would be expected in a "wartime" environment.  The problem(s) lie with your own country.   Every furballer goof, and every Strat-weenie in your own country is to blame.

[Karnak]

Originally posted by Tumor
A side note to our "problem" is the Suicide Jabo pilot.  There's very little chance a single Jabo pilot (suicide or not) will survive killing all, or a majority of the field's fuel without dying himself.  We have entire squads who consider suicide runs against ack followed by suicide against fuel (and everything else) as entirely acceptable.

I don't know.  It seems pretty easy to me.

The only way that I could reliably be stopped is if the enemy maintained a CAP at about 10,000ft.  Needless to say this would be boring most of the time and therefore nobody is going to do it in a game they pay for and play for entertainment.

[nopoop]

Rshubert you need to learn not to shoot from the hip unless you really know whats going on.

Grimm is a premier strat guy, he set's up missions for his country and is pretty damn good at it. You could learn quite alot from him, he knows his stuff and has been doing it for along time.

But you just stepped in it again..

[Grimm]

Originally posted by nopoop
Rshubert you need to learn not to shoot from the hip unless you really know whats going on.

Grimm is a premier strat guy, he set's up missions for his country and is pretty damn good at it. You could learn quite alot from him, he knows his stuff and has been doing it for along time.

But you just stepped in it again..

Im feeling very humbled by that.  I just enjoy the game and folks that fly it.   I enjoy the discussions here and just do what I can to when flying.  

Thank you for compliment sir  ::SALUTE::  

PS.  I like a good dogfight too  

[Urchin]

Yea, it is pretty pathetic what the MA has come to.  I typically log in, and see one of two things. First, no fights.  Log off.  Second, porked fuel at every single base that has a fight within 75 miles.  Log off.  What a great value.

[sax]

Originally posted by rshubert
somebody always starts the hatchet fight, sax.  Is today your day?

Yea , to be honest you irratated me for one brief moment. It's gotta be your feminine side cause my wife is usually the only person I know who can make me waste my time.

Grimm , Good post.

[beet1e]

Originally posted by nopoop
Grimm is a premier strat guy, he set's up missions for his country and is pretty damn good at it. You could learn quite alot from him, he knows his stuff and has been doing it for along time.

I can find no scores/stats for "Grimm". Is this a secret ID?  I know a lot of guys who post here hide behind secret IDs.