Author Topic: the real C.205  (Read 197 times)

Offline gatt

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« on: November 19, 1999, 03:44:00 AM »
Here it is, just to let you salivate ...
Werewolf, the real one has been tested up to 600mph in a dive. And yes, after the pull-out the wings were still there.

   


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"And one of the finest aircraft I ever flew was the Macchi C.205. Oh, beautiful. And here you had the perfect combination of italian styling and german engineering .... it really was a delight to fly ... and we did tests on it and were most impressed." - Captain Eric Brown

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« Reply #1 on: November 19, 1999, 05:59:00 AM »
Gatt the 109 had a max diving speed of 900kmph without loosing any parts. I am just worried about the FM. For me it is impossible to perform my standard ACMs in the 109 because even if i am lined up with  the target and the pilot is not aware that a 109 is diving from 1000 neters alt advantage on his six I will suffer from "compression". No way to keep your sights on him when exceeding the AH speed limit for this plane.
It is correct, that you should not be able to turn a lot in such a dive, but my 109 tends to get into a rolling movement. Maybe I am just too used to WB but regarding this point the 109 seems to be undermodeled IMHO.
In addition, this lockup prevents me from using the 109's strength. Dive in, shoot, zoomclimb out.
If Macchi offers me that I will gladly switch to it.
Never experienced these problems in any other plane modeled at this stage of beta and I hope the FM of the 109 will get fixed regarding this unnatural weakness it suffers right now.

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P.S. All testing data by allied forces after the war does not count for me. They used wartorn planes, failed to have the correct spare parts and therefore the data reflects only a certain percentage of axis planes capabilities. I hope the papers still exist which have been elaborated by the LW testing centers. These should give information that give us correct pictures of those planes.

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« Reply #2 on: November 19, 1999, 06:10:00 AM »
But the real question is: how long do we have to wait before we can start whining about the cockpit frames?  

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« Reply #3 on: November 19, 1999, 06:52:00 AM »
werewolf,
Before I flew VVS type aircraft I flew the Bf 109K-4 from WB religiously.  This variant and the G-10 are so similar as to be almost one and the same.  I will offer some advice to you regarding the pluses and minuses of the latter 109 powerhouse.

Minuses
a) not very maneuverable.
b) stick gets ungodly heavy at high speed.
c) durability is average, at best.

Pluses
a) a sustained climb that is simply unbeatable.
b) an exceptionally forgiving aircraft at low speed.
c) excellent acceleration.
d) excellent top speed.

Given these pluses and minuses some rather unconventional conclusions can be drawn:

i. dives of no more than 350-400mph are more than sufficient to zoom back up to safety.  Hence, many dives can be done with engine idled, or throttled low, even when targets are not very far below.

ii. because of the messer's forgiving nature, extreme vertical maneuvers are quite possible, especially given the tremendous acceleratory power of the G-10.

iii. many escapes can be made by climbing, given equivalent or greater energy.

Put this all together and what you have is an aircraft that fights vertically in the extreme, but at relatively low speeds.  In a Bf 109G-10, idle or low throttle dives can be made on lower aircraft with impunity.  Any aircraft co-alt and co-E can eventually be left below and behind if set at climb speeds of 275-300mph and engaging WEP.  Should your messer gain a little too much speed (400+mph)from dives, then trim appropriately to compensate.

A Messerschmitt is not meant to come bearing down at outrageous speed.  Rather it dives down at speeds much lower than most aircraft, giving it more control than many aircraft in similar situations, then allows one to climb back up with impunity.  It is a vertical fighter that can strike with the patience of surgical precision.


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« Reply #4 on: November 19, 1999, 12:29:00 PM »
Werewolf... you need to learn about trim my friend.    When at high speed, use the trim keys jklim, to take out most of the roll you are experiencing.  If you can map trim to a hat, so much the better.



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« Reply #5 on: November 19, 1999, 12:32:00 PM »
But then you end up flying the plane with trim, the last thing a real pilot would consider doing at high speed?! Except maybe for pulling out of a very high speed/compressed dive.