Author Topic: My new friend is a Californian gun owner! (Read 1069 times)

funkedup · « **Reply #15 on:** July 01, 2003, 01:41:39 PM »

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"I prefer being around the British and other Europeans more than the Americans".

Kind of says it all right there. Typical elitist limo liberal.

Otto · « **Reply #16 on:** July 01, 2003, 04:06:10 PM »

"Why Britian needs more guns" Link to Article

"You are now six times more likely to be mugged in London than New York."

midnight Target · « **Reply #17 on:** July 01, 2003, 04:08:33 PM »

midnight Target · « **Reply #18 on:** July 01, 2003, 04:13:13 PM »

hehe

midnight Target · « **Reply #19 on:** July 01, 2003, 04:13:59 PM »

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Originally posted by Otto
"Why Britian needs more guns" Link to Article

"You are now six times more likely to be mugged in London than New York."

And the number of persons carrying handguns in NY is ???????

Otto · « **Reply #20 on:** July 01, 2003, 04:18:06 PM »

Midnight, the answers is (execpt for gangs and thugs) "not enough"

The Difference Between a Liberal and Conservative:

Question: You're walking down a deserted street with your wife and two small children. Suddenly, a dangerous looking man with a huge knife comes around the corner and is running at you while screaming obscenities. In your hand is a Glock .17 and you are an expert shot. You have mere seconds before he reaches you and your family. What do you do? _____________________________ _____________________________ ________

Liberal Answer:

Well, that's not enough information to answer the question! Does the man look poor or oppressed? Could he use the money I was selfishly planning on spending on our dinner tonight? Have my ancestors or I ever done anything to him that is inspiring him to attack? What do I need to say to reason with this clearly distressed man? Could we run away? Would it make me a "gender-racist" to make this decision unilaterally without input from my wife? What does my wife think? What about the kids? Could I possibly swing the gun like a club and knock the knife out of his hand? What does the law say about this situation? Does he definitely want to kill me or would he just be content to wound me? Am I placing my value system on him...am I profiling him or "pre-judging" his intent to harm us? If I were to grab his knees and hold on, could my family get away while he was stabbing me? This is all so confusing! I need to debate this with some friends down at Starbucks over a cherry latte to try to come to a conclusion. _____________________________ _____________________________ __

Conservative Answer:

BANG….!

midnight Target · « **Reply #21 on:** July 01, 2003, 04:23:51 PM »

New York’s Sullivan Act just makes your point concerning London kinda silly. Both places have severe gun comtrol.

Otto · « **Reply #22 on:** July 01, 2003, 04:31:58 PM »

You are now six times more likely to be mugged in London than New York. Why? Because as common law appreciated, not only does an armed individual have the ability to protect himself or herself but criminals are less likely to attack them. They help keep the peace. A study found American burglars fear armed home-owners more than the police. As a result burglaries are much rarer and only 13% occur when people are at home, in contrast to 53% in England.

This data probablity excludes California.

midnight Target · « **Reply #23 on:** July 01, 2003, 04:36:25 PM »

Burglary Ain't Mugging!

Frogm4n · « **Reply #24 on:** July 01, 2003, 08:54:17 PM »

depends on what part of europe your in. northern italy is damn safe as is most of france germany and england. but like the US if you go into blue collar citys that lose their industrys prepare to get robbed. like detroit newark brussels eastern europe etc.

of course japan is bizzare. most people dont even bother locking their doors in huge citys like tokyo. the level of any kind of crime there is so low its almost non exsistent.

Sandman · « **Reply #25 on:** July 01, 2003, 09:19:16 PM »

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Beetle has hit on a trolling method that is beyond amazing. All he has to do is tell a story about something.. he drew no conclusions BTW, and people in here feel the need to rip off his head and spit in the neck hole.

Funny.

Now say it in your very best Bruce Lee accent... It is the awt of twolling widdout twolling.

Hilarious stuff Beet1e... the story is boring as hell, but the reactions are always entertaining.

beet1e · « **Reply #26 on:** July 02, 2003, 04:06:15 AM »

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Originally posted by Otto
You are now six times more likely to be mugged in London than New York. Why? Because as common law appreciated, not only does an armed individual have the ability to protect himself or herself but criminals are less likely to attack them. They help keep the peace. A study found American burglars fear armed home-owners more than the police. As a result burglaries are much rarer and only 13% occur when people are at home, in contrast to 53% in England.

Otto, I agree with your statement - in part. In the mid 1990s I was working in London, and also spent a great deal of time in New York. Yes, I actually felt safer in New York, and have expressed this to many people I know. But I do not agree that it's because people are allowed to walk around with guns in New York. (Is NY a conceal/carry state?) The real reason is policing. Britain is cutting back on policing to save money. Tony Blair's government has got itself into a pickle because the existing tax structure cannot support its spending plans, and they don't want to raise income tax. So they implement "stealth taxes" and cutbacks - and policing is one. My village used to have a police station - not any more. The council claims we can't even afford a traffic warden - so the village is blighted with illegal parking. Our jails are full, so Lord avacadoHead Derry Irvine has been urging judges not to send burglars to jail. And corporal punishment was abolished in schools in 1986 - followed by a collapse in discipline and a steep rise in juvenile crime - car break-ins, joy riding etc.

Compare that with New York - many more (33%) police officers deployed on the streets of NYC under the Giuliani-Bratton partnership. You'd see them everywhere - street corners, down the subways, on the trains, always in pairs... Many a time coming up from the W 86th St. subway stop (1 & 9 line) I would see police with a suspect in handcuffs. The NY police took a very tough line - even guys urinating in the street would get carted off.

Sure, the NY police are armed, but so are many London police these days. And of the many, many people I met in New York, not one single one owned a gun. I gues I was amongst a bunch of typical elitist limo liberals - LOL.

New York may be safer (up to about 107th Street) than London, but I don't agree that it's because of arming the citizens. The key is policing, and a tough stance on quality of life and other relatively minor crimes. The theory is that this will deter people from moving on to more major crimes, and the results would seem to bear out this theory.

Sandman! It's the reaction that counts!

My attention seeking has been well sated in this thread - muhahahaha.

Dowding · « **Reply #27 on:** July 02, 2003, 04:56:13 AM »

Beetle - you'll find that you are more likely to go to prison for burgalry etc than ever before. Our prisons are bursting because a) they were built 200 years ago and are crap and b) we are sending more people there, and cutting back on community sentences.

Still, if the shrecking police spent more time catching shrecking burglars instead of handing out shrecking speeding tickets I'd be alot happier. I got tagged by a mobile speedtrap van last week -within three days of the offence, they had a Notice of Intention to Prosecute on my doormat. Extremely efficient. Compare and contrast with the theft of a bike from my dad's shed a couple of years ago. It took the police 4 days for them to send anyone round - who then turned out to be a standard plod - who basically said they had zero chance of doing anything about it.

Did you know that SVVD cameras are being installed up and down our motorways? These actually record license plates as part of their operation (basically they record a car's time between two points of a known distance to calculate speed - a gate system), and add these to a central database. So basically, the government can effectively track a vehicle as it moves up and down the country as part of 'speed limit law enforcement'.

The British motorist. The most taxed and penalised people anywhere on the planet.

/rant off.

Nashwan · « **Reply #28 on:** July 02, 2003, 06:00:31 AM »

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You are now six times more likely to be mugged in London than New York. Why?

Because New York has approx the same population as London, but has 40,000 policemen compared to 27,000 in London.

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New York may be safer (up to about 107th Street) than London

Depends how you define safer. New York still has a far higher murder rate than London.

beet1e · « **Reply #29 on:** July 02, 2003, 06:37:56 AM »

Nashwan,

Without checking, I thought the population of NYC was closer to 18m. Remember that NYC is not just Manhattan Island - the bit the tourists go to. There's Brooklyn, Staten Island, Bronx and Queens. These boroughs account for millions of people, but they're all part of NYC. Brooklyn used to be a separate city, but became part of NYC in 1906.