Author Topic: Bush goads on death, bloodletting (Read 1719 times)

funkedup · « **Reply #15 on:** July 02, 2003, 03:32:56 PM »

Oh come on SOB, don't you know that leading a cavalry charge is a requirement to be commander-in-chief of the most powerful military in history?

Dowding · « **Reply #16 on:** July 02, 2003, 03:34:19 PM »

I'm not trying to spin anything, funked. I've watched the 'debate' about Bush's military service with apathy but arrived at the conclusion that by leaving the way he did, no rules were broken given the nature of the duty he had undertaken. Hence why I am puzzled that his role should be held up to be so critical - like I said one doesn't sit easily with the other.

funkedup · « **Reply #17 on:** July 02, 2003, 03:34:47 PM »

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Originally posted by Fishu
Thats called rallying speech and make the enemy forces more prone for mistakes, trying to prove theyre being annoyance against US forces.

Fishu gets it.
The enemy only reveal themselves when they attack.
The more they attack, the more of them our forces can kill.
The sooner all of these idiots are dead, the sooner we will have peace in Iraq.

funkedup · « **Reply #18 on:** July 02, 2003, 03:37:59 PM »

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Originally posted by Dowding
I am puzzled that his role should be held up to be so critical

Air defense of North America is something that was taken very seriously back then. You are young and not American, so maybe you don't understand. Study the history of the Cold War and NORAD to see how seriously it was taken by our military leaders.

(I'm serious)

Dowding · « **Reply #19 on:** July 02, 2003, 03:42:54 PM »

You misunderstand. I am not questioning the strategic importance of Soviet bomber interdiction - I am questioning the importance of a man's role in that strategy if he can leave his post at will without any kind of notice. It doesn't add up.

john9001 · « **Reply #20 on:** July 02, 2003, 03:44:57 PM »

TR did not lead a cavalry charge in cuba, the "rough riders' had no horses, when they boarded ships in tampa,fla , there was no room on the ships for the horses so they were left in Fla.
the rough riders fought as infantry at san juan hill along with the 10th black cavalry (also dismounted) and another army unit.

funkedup · « **Reply #21 on:** July 02, 2003, 03:47:10 PM »

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Originally posted by Dowding
You misunderstand. I am not questioning the strategic importance of Soviet bomber interdiction - I am questioning the importance of a man's role in that strategy if he can leave his post at will without any kind of notice. It doesn't add up.

Obviously they had people to replace him.
Also IIRC his unit in TX (140-something FIW) was the one doing training and alerts, and he had a good record there. It was when he was later transferred to a couple of units in Alabama (where he was not assigned an active flying role) that there is some mystery about his participation.

Frogm4n · « **Reply #22 on:** July 02, 2003, 03:47:19 PM »

TR was the closet thing we had to a real cowboy president and he was from new york.

the biggest thing bush has done that bothers me is the fact that he is the first president to put on a military uniform while in office for the purpose of a press shot. he violated a big taboo when it comes to democracys.

Dowding · « **Reply #23 on:** July 02, 2003, 03:50:07 PM »

Aaah, I see. So when he left he wasn't part on active flying duty.

Erlkonig · « **Reply #24 on:** July 02, 2003, 03:50:13 PM »

SOB, that's a pretty obvious and handsomehunk question to ask, even for a troll.

funked, tell me who is defending the chest-beating comments of a man all too willing to use American troops as live bait for Iraqi guerillas in his effort to show what a tough guy he is, then explain to me who is denigrating the service of those in our armed forces. That's not my idea of "supporting the troops."

Gunthr · « **Reply #25 on:** July 02, 2003, 03:55:16 PM »

Erlkonig, I wonder how fat-prettythang Teddy Kennedy would have answered that question?

I'll answer that. He would have given a long drawn out stuttering Porky Pig dissertation that goes in circles and doesn't actually convey anything. I think if you photoshopped a picture of Teddy in an honorable soldier's uniform humping a rifle in the desert sand it would be a lot more hilarious and unlikley. Talk about juxtaposition...

Same goes for Clinton, Gore, and Weazel's prima donna, Senator Kerry.

funkedup · « **Reply #26 on:** July 02, 2003, 03:56:21 PM »

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Originally posted by Erlkonig
funked, tell me who is defending the chest-beating comments of a man all too willing to use American troops as live bait for Iraqi guerillas in his effort to show what a tough guy he is, then explain to me who is denigrating the service of those in our armed forces. That's not my idea of "supporting the troops."

Read what I said above. Their job is to kill Saddamites. They can't kill Saddamites unless the Saddamites attack. So why not tell the Saddamites to bring it on? I'm sorry if his military leadership style is not PC enough for you.

funkedup · « **Reply #27 on:** July 02, 2003, 03:59:39 PM »

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Originally posted by Dowding
Aaah, I see. So when he left he wasn't part on active flying duty.

Yes AFAIK that was the situation. I haven't looked at this stuff for a while though, not since Weazel left us.

_Schadenfreude_ · « **Reply #28 on:** July 02, 2003, 04:01:42 PM »

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Originally posted by funkedup
As if TR was president when he was in battle...

Chimpy pulled alert duty in F-102's as part of NORAD during the height of the Cold War. If nookyuler had started, he would have been in the thick of it.

Was this the same time his buddies were going to downtown Hanoi in Thuds?

funkedup · « **Reply #29 on:** July 02, 2003, 04:02:57 PM »

Actually nobody was going downtown in Thuds after 1968.