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Offline _Schadenfreude_

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« Reply #45 on: July 03, 2003, 02:37:10 AM »
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No Thuds in Linebacker.  :D


No - they were mostly B52's with Wild Weasels in support - the point you're frantically trying to avoid is that Bush avoided service in the conflict, went awol for 6 months from the National Guard yet now is bellicose in his utterings whilst others actually have to do the fighting - something that he as a young man whilst serving his country was very careful to avoid - a pretty nauseating performance.

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« Reply #46 on: July 03, 2003, 04:15:23 AM »
Why would anyone join the army if they didn't want to go 'in harms way'?  Besides, I bet killing an Iraqi would be fun.  Probably like shooting a lion or a bear.

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« Reply #47 on: July 03, 2003, 04:33:00 AM »
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No - they were mostly B52's with Wild Weasels in support - the point you're frantically trying to avoid is that Bush avoided service in the conflict, went awol for 6 months from the National Guard yet now is bellicose in his utterings whilst others actually have to do the fighting - something that he as a young man whilst serving his country was very careful to avoid - a pretty nauseating performance.


Many people end their service with the National Guard by just not showing up anymore, it's pretty common . It's not a crime, and I don't think it is even considered AWOL . The National Guard is very different from active duty that way .

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« Reply #48 on: July 03, 2003, 05:21:14 AM »
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Why would anyone join the army if they didn't want to go 'in harms way'?  Besides, I bet killing an Iraqi would be fun.  Probably like shooting a lion or a bear.


Another Charles Whitman in the making - either that or a very, very stupid troll.

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« Reply #49 on: July 03, 2003, 05:39:38 AM »
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Another Charles Whitman in the making - either that or a very, very stupid troll.

Or an Army Ranger in the making, it's something they would say, and it's not bravado, they mean it . Not unlike your UK soldiers, playing soccer with Iraqi heads and such . Before you flame me I'm not trying to justify it . Just pointing out that the public has allways been baby feed the idea from media and hollywood that most soldiers are contemplative and idealistic in regard to
warfare and killing as if they were part of the "civilized" populace, it is good that the warrior class in reality is not .
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« Reply #50 on: July 03, 2003, 06:07:50 AM »
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Or an Army Ranger in the making, it's something they would say, and it's not bravado, they mean it . Not unlike your UK soldiers, playing soccer with Iraqi heads and such . Before you flame me I'm not trying to justify it . Just pointing out that the public has allways been baby feed the idea from media and hollywood that most soldiers are contemplative and idealistic in regard to
warfare and killing as if they were part of the "civilized" populace, it is good that the warrior class in reality is not .


Another fat little civilian without a clue...

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« Reply #51 on: July 03, 2003, 06:15:35 AM »
A Fat happy civilian I now am yes, if I happen to be a light infantry veteran, which one of us is the clueless insolent one ?

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« Reply #52 on: July 03, 2003, 06:18:45 AM »
Absolute bull**** Suave. Wasn't Davidpt40 insulting vietnam vets recently? Excellent material for a Ranger!

I was watching a program about the RAF pilots during the war - the camera crew was allowed to film what they liked (compared to the embedded 'live' reporters), because it was not for immediate broadcast. The program is just being aired now. They weren't too keen on killing anyone and much preferred to drop their bombs on targets where very few Iraqis would be present.

Perhaps they were just a bunch of poofs, or perhaps they weren't BBS blowhards... they take their actions, and the consequences of those actions, very seriously.

UK troops playing heads with Iraqi heads?
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War! Never been so much fun. War! Never been so much fun! Go to your brother, Kill him with your gun, Leave him lying in his uniform, Dying in the sun.

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« Reply #53 on: July 03, 2003, 06:45:15 AM »
I knew what he said would rouse the pulpit pounders . But what he said is just like something the leg infantry, rangers or UK soldiers I'd been around would say . I don't think any of them were very keen on killing "skinnies" or "ragheads" as they called them, either, unless they were enemy soldiers .  And yes some of the things they are proud of doing would horrify most normalized folk . ie. drinking beer from human skulls, playing soccer with a head, bringing back trophy pics of themselves with MRE spoons and dead, or berets with bullet holes in them to be placed in the battalion trophy case . To give you a little insight into that community, Alpa company 2/75 called themselves the War Pigs. The would get a pigs head from a butcher shop and nail it over the orderly room entrance, after a few weeks when it got too rotten, they would replace it. It's irrational behavior IMO and I think some of it is bravado and tradition . Again I'm not trying to justify it, that's just the way it is, but you can keep on flaming me if you want .

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« Reply #54 on: July 03, 2003, 10:31:31 AM »
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Erlkonig created this thread and added 6 more posts and still hasnt made a point or reason behind it..


On the tv yesterday I saw probably no less than 7 American talking heads saying that what Bush said was... awful. Shows there's at least some other people that think there's a point to what Erlkonig's sayin'.

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« Reply #55 on: July 03, 2003, 10:36:41 AM »
Picturing the Riddler on the old Batman series saying.. "Bring it on Batman!" just before pushing his goons into the fight.

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« Reply #56 on: July 03, 2003, 10:58:47 AM »
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Please refute any part of it Pongo.  I thought you were smart enough to know the history of ANG F-102 units in NORAD.
To this day the Russian air force trains and runs exercises for the mission of nuclear bombing against the US.  Yes it's bloody unlikely, but nonetheless the USSR/Russian air force have maintained readiness for this mission for 50 years.


Im smart enough to know that if bear bombers were crawling towards the US over canada at 25mph on a one way 20 hour flight that the safest place to be on the continent is in an F102.
Portraying his service as heroic is just silly.

George Bush says to an 8 year old muslim girl with an AK47. Bring it on..and you cheer.

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« Reply #57 on: July 03, 2003, 11:07:07 AM »
Back to the orignal post:
Thats almost as good as Clinton faking a tear on the Omaha beach! ;)

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« Reply #58 on: July 03, 2003, 11:39:24 AM »
the real question is why did he not fly anymore ( desert)

they ( the airforce) started cocain testing.   he never flew another day never went to the phisical.


man i hate rich cokeheads. and deserters.

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« Reply #59 on: July 03, 2003, 11:49:43 AM »
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TR was the closet thing we had to a real cowboy president and he was from new york.

the biggest thing bush has done that bothers me is the fact that he is the first president to put on a military uniform while in office for the purpose of a press shot. he violated a big taboo when it comes to democracys.


Frog, what uniform?


    you mean the nomex jump suit, what do you want him to wear while sitting on an ejection seat, and wearing a chute, gym shorts and a golf shirt. What is the big deal he was in the Air Force and is the Commander in Chief.

Please tell us what really bothers you as this is really lame. The press and other (read Senators and Congressmen) VIP's are given similar type of wear when visiting a Navy ship,  how do you feel about this?

What was the insignia of the "uniform" what was the rank? ahh none? wow guess then it was not a uniform but just a proper protective garment to wear. A jumpsuite is not a uniform without the proper insignia. When I was in the Air Force I was a Firefighter and my turnout gear was not my uniform just a good idea when fighting fires.

Ever wear a ball cap for a team you never played for? How about when some wears a jersey for a NFL team that they don't play for does that really bother you also.


hmmm


Looking for that picture of Klinton when he was aboard the CV wearing the leather flight jacket and cap,   anyone, anyone, Ferris, anyone
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