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Offline Downtown

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« on: September 11, 1999, 07:41:00 PM »
We all know that the B-17G? is being Modled.

HTC Has said that its Strategy will be more immersive, requireing the destruction of Strategic Ground Targets.

Now we know that we will have a Buff, and the Planes to Hunt Buffs With.

But as this sim/game progress, and Aircraft are added, buffs will be critical.

Now we all love our sports models, but this is about the BUFFS WE WILL NEED.  So I will post my list of what I think will need to be added after the initial plane set, Prioritizes.

1. LANCASTER.
2. B-25C.
3. IL-2.
4. Mosquito.
5. He-111
6. DO-117
7. JU-87
8. Betty.
9. B-24.
10. TU-3? I think, large Tupelov, 4 Engine, very slow?
11. SBD.
12. TBF.
13. Val.
14. Kate? (The japanese torpedo bomber and Dive Bombers that were at Pearl.)
15. Swordfish (Kingfish) British Torepdo Bomber.

Cargo/Transports.
C-47
Ju-52
Japanese version of the C-47.
Wellington? (I can't remember the British Cargo/Troop Transport Aircraft)

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« Reply #1 on: September 11, 1999, 09:21:00 PM »
I am sure in due time you may see some if not all....now just relax  

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Offline Quasar

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« Reply #2 on: September 12, 1999, 09:09:00 AM »
No Ju-88???
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oooo 111th Fighter Group

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« Reply #3 on: September 12, 1999, 10:38:00 AM »
     Downtown, if I read the posts correctly it dosen't sound like there will be a "real" Strategy in the first release.  The goal is still "Capture the Flag" and the only Strat has to do with rebuild times with some additional targerts.
     Could be wrong...

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« Reply #4 on: September 12, 1999, 11:42:00 PM »
Just curious, what's your definition of "real" strategy.



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« Reply #5 on: September 12, 1999, 11:54:00 PM »
     ROTFLMAO !!

yeah do tell just what is Strategy !!

    for the last 6 years I have heard  and seen too many idea's for just what that word means even my squad gets into arguments about it. the best strat. I can see is what ever the latest technology would allow.

guns out.

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oooo 111th Fighter Group

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« Reply #6 on: September 13, 1999, 09:22:00 AM »
"yeah do tell just what is Strategy !!"
 
  Well, for starters , it's main goal is to reduce the ablity of an enemy to carry out his aims by denying him the materials of war, be that fuel, weapons or transportation.
  This is opposed to "Tactical" which deals primarly with destruction of the enemy (winning battles).

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« Reply #7 on: September 13, 1999, 03:44:00 PM »
In addition, the goal of strategic warfare is to rob the enemy of the ability to make war, in an indirect way, by striking at the enemy's industrial superstructure.  This may include destroying the enemy's materials of war, but also taking away support materials, like transportation/communication supersturcture, electricity, mineral ore, (and in some cases human resources, i.e. people).

Just my thoughts,

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oooo 111th Fighter Group

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« Reply #8 on: September 13, 1999, 04:28:00 PM »
Pyro - I hope Ronin and I satisfied your curiosity.

Toughgun - I hope you managed to get off the floor, stop laughing and find your ass. If it's still missing check your "Low six."  It's probablity right where you left it.

Ronin - Thanks, I left out the part about "City Busting" because I find it distasteful.
It was however, a major part of WWII Strategic Bombing and should not be forgotten.

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« Reply #9 on: September 13, 1999, 05:18:00 PM »
  And just what will our latest technology allow in this request ? was the point I was making easy to ask some times hard to deliver HT Pyro and crew have been asked these things before for the last few years. I think Pyro asked a very good Q why not do up a real good plan and send it to him, best layed plans can and do work...about as good as they come apart at times too  


For give me if I insulted you it was late and I did find it quite funny at the time.


Guns out.

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« Reply #10 on: September 13, 1999, 05:30:00 PM »
From your definition of strat that's exactly what we are implemting. The deal is you also need to messure the war progress, because we are a flight sim the best way we have come up with on this is by field capture. The strat system can't be just a conceptual thing it need's to effect the abilty to both defend and to attack/capture air fields , and that is what we have planed. And as far as war goes. All war is just capture the flag.

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« Reply #11 on: September 13, 1999, 06:11:00 PM »
    Hitech, thanks for the info. I hope it works out just the way you described it.  As a Squad CO I am challenged each week with coming up with a unique, interesting and worthwhile mission plan.  The more options I have the easier it is to keep the members coming back for more.
    That's good for me and it's good for you.

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Offline Downtown

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« Reply #12 on: September 13, 1999, 10:04:00 PM »
Sorry, remiss on the Ju-88, was trying to remember em all, supprised that no one has yet critizied my list beyond

"What no JU-88?"

As to strategy,  What I was basing my suggestions for Bombers on was what I had read on this BBS some time back that.

There would be an Ammo Factory, HQ Factory, AAA Factory, Etc.  and by destroying them you limited your opponents war fighting ability.  Sides being Equal, the Side that employs bombers to destroy these factories, Etc. will have an advantage.

And what I was attempting to start a conversation on was,  IF we have STRATEGY, we want BOMBERS that played a ROLL.

WB gives us the 17, a few Variants of B-25.

Pretty much ignores the German, British, and Russian Bomber Forces. (could do better for the Japanese too.)

Two American Aircraft that had Vital and Important Strategic impact are not even Models in WB (But rumor has it the will soon be introduced.) (B-24 and C-47.)

I was hoping that this would generate interest in Bombers and Strategy, start discussion on these topics.

(Never too early in my opinion.)

Just trying to get a little spring in the spring board.

As to my plan for Strategy.

basics as I have posted before.

Major/Capital City.  Heavy Industry.  Port Facility.  Rail yards, Roads, Airfield(s).

Ties to Smaller Cities via these avenues.  Ships, Trucks, trains, Planes.

Smaller Cities tie to Airfeilds Via Roads.

Truck transports to Airfields.

Damage to Major/Capital City affects Health of All Cities/Airfields.

Damage to Airfield/Minor City affects health of airfield. Ability to defend itself (via Ack and Aircraft Spawning.)

Airfield can still be captured with Jabos and Quick troop drop, but harder to Hold with molifiying Attached City First.

That is my basic plan.

Feel free to Expound.
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« Reply #13 on: September 13, 1999, 11:16:00 PM »
I think these are fine ideas. I have often wanted such things in WB. But, it appears that with these ideas, we are headed to a two coutry/team effort.  Allies vs. Axis.  To extend Downtowns ideas, once bombing, say a aircraft manufacturing facility, reduce the number of new planes to be flown of that type.

Also, using a cargo type aircraft, allow you to reduce the re-gen time by dropping supplies and engineers on to your own field.

My two cents.

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« Reply #14 on: September 14, 1999, 09:15:00 AM »
Not precisely buffs, but I'd add Catalina and Mavis to Downtown's list. Strategic maritime patrol and maybe the odd sub contact to prosecute.

I'm the furthest thing from a hot stick, but I like to do a job and "advance the war effort." Sometimes that might be driving a fighter, but sometimes it would be patrol or photorecon or jabo-ing or what have you. In a modern game where the option was available I'd leave the ACM to those best suited for it--I'd want to be the mission ops officer, and then climb into an EF-111 with the ALQ-9000 mertilizers cranked up to "frying pigeon level" and a couple of Starships to keep the buzzards off my back. But then, I'm a lazy sod.  

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