Author Topic: Vett vs Miata (Read 2046 times)

TPIguy · « **Reply #15 on:** July 06, 2003, 03:28:59 PM »

those old turbo dodges will surprise alot of people. Especially on a low budget.

http://www.blackholehunter.com/Terry%2013.01.wmv

TPIguy · « **Reply #16 on:** July 06, 2003, 03:38:49 PM »

http://members.shaw.ca/sumps/omni_vs_viper.wmv

http://www.turbododge.com

rpm · « **Reply #17 on:** July 06, 2003, 04:29:48 PM »

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Originally posted by lazs2
rpm.. are you old enough to have a licence?

I rode in several of those "shelby's"... My sons stepdad had one. They were ok when the turbo kicked in but any 5.0 mustang woulda blown the doors off em. I don't know what town you are in... maybe one at 12,000 feet? maybe you live at 12k and all the cars you raced were carbureated and there was no mechanics that know how to do tune ups?

Laz, I'm 41 and live near Ft.Worth, Tx. Elevation about 500ft. The newer Vette's back then had a 305 I belive. It was the weight/torque ratio and front wheel drive that made it so quick off the line. Didn't say I couldn't be beat, just never was by a Vette or a Stang for that matter. I raced in 1 SCCA Shelby event at Texas World Speedway near College Station and finished top 10. Paid $7,000 cash for the Shelby new...ah those were the days. Unfortunately, it got wrapped around an oak tree in 85.

hyena426 · « **Reply #18 on:** July 07, 2003, 12:23:18 AM »

65 shelby cobra will blow every stock car off the road ,,record book holder still to this day,,fastest stock car made production line in Guinness book of records,,,goes up too 100 back down to zero in 13secs,,i road in some dodges 4 banger with turbo and if some one wasnt a good driver it could take them by surpize,,because they are quick,,and not a dog by any means

i got a stock as a rock 73 mustang mach 1 ,,ram air 351 cleveland,, laid waste too every 4 banger on the road,,even raced a guy who had 15,000 into his motor plus nitro in a honda,,lol<~~added a pathedic 70 horses to his motor when hit nitro,,,i blew his doors off,,my car does a stock 13.33 in the quarter,,and i know i aint the fastes thing out there,but never has a 4 cilinder or rotary been able to keep up with my stock as a rock car,,,,if i put nitro on my car it would be pushing over 500 horses and would be untouchable,, fast and the fruious has warped peoples minds into thinking there little cars will keep up,,,well let them think that,,just makes v8 guys alot of money on races,,lol

hands down for the price and money v8 will trash anything out there,,,if i put 15,000 into my motor,,i couldnt even legaly run it on the road anymore ,, it would be doing 8 seconts in the quarter mile,,lol

some vets and certain years of cars are dogs,,and some drivers,,just dont know how to drive,,but washington state patrol use to have 5.0 82 mustang interceptors stock that would do allmost 170miles a hour,,,wouldnt call every 82 moose a dog,,lol

funkedup · « **Reply #19 on:** July 07, 2003, 12:27:50 AM »

hyena426 · « **Reply #20 on:** July 07, 2003, 12:45:02 AM »

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Those 1982 era 5.0's had what, 140 hp?

no 302 made in history pushed lower than 215 horses,,thats a standerd for trucks and cars for every 302 made,,but 350 chev's in 79 comaro's pushed a cheesy 140 horses stock,,mite be the one your thinking of,,lol

funkedup · « **Reply #21 on:** July 07, 2003, 12:47:12 AM »

Baloney, just like Cobras being the fastest car ever made and 170 mph stock police Mustangs.

http://home.pon.net/hunnicutt/history_eng.htm

funkedup · « **Reply #22 on:** July 07, 2003, 12:49:43 AM »

Also can you show me a time slip for that '73? I doubt a huge whale of a car like that was running 13's with only 260 something hp.

hyena426 · « **Reply #23 on:** July 07, 2003, 12:54:50 AM »

horse power was faked by ford in them years,,because of regulations,,and they got caught and heavly fined for it,,,,,71,,too 1973 351's are the fastest stock small block made in production,,,13:33 in the quarter,,mine is barly over stock,,been rebuilt once,,gots 11;to1 ,,pistons in it,,but it had them stock anyways,and took off emissions crap

horse power in the 71 model mustang mach 1 is dyno tested at 330 horses,,with 370lb torque<~~thats with boss motor package,,they were big cars,,but fast,,just long as you tear most of the emissions crap off them,,,and make sure its a 4v model with ram air,,and you would be surpized how well they corner

i raced my cousins rx7 with a nice built custom rotary,,and he couldnt hang with my cars,he said in the corners he could stay with me and out corner me a little,,but its like racing a fw 190 against a spittfire,,sure the spitt corners good,,but doesnt do him any good unless he is on a circle track,out of the corners i would just walk him with power

you will find alot of horse power faked during the 60's and 70's,,,heck they tried to say the 429 boss,only had 425 horse power,,,,and now when they dyno test them cars,,they read out too about 500,,too 550 horses,,,,same with the hemi,,said it wonly pushed 425 too,,but more like 500,just because they were car companies they could fake it past the goverment just to give them a edge on there rivals,,,most books i read on mustangs 71 too 73,some will say,,150 horses,,,some will say,,330,,some will say,,250,,,and from what i read they said,,never beleve the old cars horse power ratings,,they were all faked,,most allways they pushed atleast a 50 too 100 horses more than stock

funkedup · « **Reply #24 on:** July 07, 2003, 01:11:57 AM »

Did Ford fib about the compression ratio too? I thought the 73's only had 8.0:1.

hyena426 · « **Reply #25 on:** July 07, 2003, 01:26:13 AM »

When the 351C 2V cylinder heads were installed on an engine with 15% more stroke (15% more displacement), the compression ratio produced by flat-top pistons similar to the 351C 4V pistons was 10.2:1! boss 11:7:1!To get the compression down to a more reasonable level in the 400, Ford engineers developed a piston with reduced compression height and a small dish (8 cc), and a new 400-specific cylinder head with a slightly larger combustion chamber (77.8 cc). With the relatively high-octane leaded fuel available in, this was an acceptable compromise, and it produced a compression ratio of 9.2:1.

351C 4V ('71-'74)
76.2cc
9.5:1
2.041"
1.654"

351C 4V ('71-'72 early)
62.8cc
11.0:1
2.190"
1.710"

351C 4V ('71 Cobra Jet)
75.4cc
9.0:1
2.190"
1.710"

351C 4V ('71 Boss 351)
66.1cc
11.7:1
2.190"
1.710"

351C 4V ('72-'73, . HO)
75.4cc
9.0:1
2.190"
1.710"
Boss 351 Engine Size
330@5600 HP
370@4000 Torque
5.8 sec. ^ 0-60
104 in quarter mile@13.8

have seen a few diffrent quarter mile readings,,in hastings the mustang book in there said 13:33 at 104

my compession wasnt too far off the mark,,even the lowest model of cleveland in 70s had over 9s,,,mine gots 11's thats what i stuck in it,,and most sat about 10:2:1,,they mite be big cars,,but they only weight about 3580lb

sence mine has better carb than stock,,emissions took off and 11: pistons i would bet money it would run 13secs,,and have a hell of a time grabing a dollar off the dash

hyena426 · « **Reply #26 on:** July 07, 2003, 01:42:26 AM »

a 1965 ac cobra is the fastest production car from zero too 100 and back down to zero in the guiness book,,and at one time was the fastest production stock car top end in the world,,still hold the record for going up too 100 and back down to zero in 13 secs,,and a quarter mile in 12 secs stock,,,car is unbeatable against anything stock,,light and tons of horses,,427 side oiler

1964 - The AC Cobra caused a sensation by racing along the M1 motorway at 183 mph, leading to questions being raised in Parliament. Two AC Cobras were entered in the Le Mans 24 Hour Race, , the 427 AC Cobra had the distinction of being listed in the Guinness Book of Records as the fastest production car in the world, a title which it held for years.

cop interceptors were not the plain jane cars we all get,ford made them fast for a reason,,because they were suposta catch fast bad guys,,lol, in 1982 washington state cops were braging they had the fastest mustang interceptors in the nation at 170 miles a hour<~~watch out for old mustangs that say,,interceptor down the side,,you mite be in for a suprize,,i have no idea if they could go that fast,,but they sure bragged about them

even with a two-barrel carburetor, the 302 was a true HO, and rated as the quickest domestic car produced in 1982 and also the lightest and lowest priced GT available.

Vermillion · « **Reply #27 on:** July 07, 2003, 08:09:51 AM »

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The newer Vette's back then had a 305 I belive.

*cough* Bull**** *cough*

The low end Camaro's/Firebirds maybe, but there has not been a stock Corvette ever made with a 305.

Street races huh? Ummm.... did the Corvette actually know he was racing? Serious question. Because I once had a guy tell me that he blew me off the road at a stoplight when we "raced", and I never even got the car above 3,000 rpm and was just pulling out normally from a stoplight.

A lot of high school kids will do that. Pull up beside a hot car at a stoplight, rev the engine, and then peal out when the light changes and fly down the road. Then for the next 20 minutes they congratulate each other, and talk about how they "blew the doors off that XXX car". On the other hand, Joe Blow in the XXX car was going down to the 7-Eleven for milk for his new baby and never knew (or cared for that matter) he was supposedly "racing".

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Didn't say I couldn't be beat, just never was by a Vette or a Stang for that matter.

You must have meet the most sorry arsed Vette's and Mustangs in the world then.

And Funked is correct, any stock production car (not modified, specialty, or "only 3 made") after 1970 was seriously neutered, and had a much reduced compression ratio.

Just for example, the 1969 Corvette with a 427 ci engine, had around 400-425 horsepower depending on which option engine you had. By 1972 with a larger 454 ci engine, the horsepower was down in the mid 200's (would have to check a chart for an exact number).

lazs2 · « **Reply #28 on:** July 07, 2003, 09:00:08 AM »

Geeze guys... several cars have broken the old cobras record.

The old Mustangs of 82 to about 86 were about 160hp but very tuneable. 85 was 210. I had a 91 mustang that was a former California Higway Patrol car. It had 3.55 gears instead of the stock 2.75 and would run about 140 or a little better. most with 2.75's would only do about 130 cause they couldn't pull those tall gears in 5th... they would go about as fast in fourth. 86 was the beggining of 14 second 5.0 Mustangs stock.

71 cleaveland even with 3.90 gears would do 14.1 according to car and driver. 72 was slower.

The 85 iroc camaro would do 15.3 the firebird a little better. If you weren't too fussy about smog legality... you could knock off a sec or two.

as for the shelby charger turbo? it was a dog made to seem fast because the era was so full of doggy cars. It is a forgotten (good riddence) car today. Mid 15 sec runs were the best it could do but most did more like 16.0

lazs