Time to give up on the norden.

[Rutilant]

I'm not attempting to speak for HT, i'm using common sense. HT has a good amount of control over the game, as this isnt a massive company. I can only assume he deems it beneficial for the game - and that he prefers it, otherwise he wouldnt have implemented it in the first place.

As for buffs being used dweebishly,
any on-the-deck buff is just a target, and i'de much rather have a low alt buff i can kill that porks my field rather than a 25k Lanc or B17 that porks 3 of my fields, which i can do nothing about. Same goes for CV killers (which will be plenty abundant after they're insured a level bombing CV kill) , and if the old system is brought back furballers will scream bloody murder.

It seems perfectly fine to me as it is, and I *have* thought this through, I'm not just automatically disagreeing. I still see no problem other than no AI gunner.

Oh, and 22 to 1? Looks about even to me in this thread.

[Tilt]

Originally posted by Pongo
Well after a nice 9 month experiment in "realistic" bombing the game play of bombing in AH has been destroyed.
 

I think when in F6 mode the throttle control should be automated to fix the airspeed........... just as a pilot might do


The speed chosen would be that the AC was at when the pilot goes to F6. (if its too fast then the AC flies a full throttle)

Hence then variation in speed is not a bombers concern and the norden set up is till the same procedure but not affected by it.

Manouvering from f6 would have a lesser effect as the AC lost some speed and then recovered it (I should imagine the throttle control would be slightly damped)

[Tilt]

Originally posted by Easyscor

If you're asking for changes, ask that the A-20 (but not the Boston), the Stuka and all the other dive bombers without level bombsights be removed from the "Bomber" category in both the hanger and the scoring.  

Agreed........ off topic but

I would remove the fighter/ attack button

Move all non f6 "bombers" into attack category. (including C47)

Add attack perks

Any fighter spawning with rockets or bombs  is scoring attack points

[BGBMAW]

Again..boming is FINE

but keep typing..:




I ENJOY BOMING IN  AH.....I AM DAM GOOD IN BOMING....I BOM ANYTHING FROM ANY ALT

CALIBRATE FOR MIN OF 20 SECONDS.....KEEP CONSTANT SPEED...EASY MONEY

IF OVER WIND LAYER...DO NOT MOVE MORE THEN 10 GREES AFTR CALIBRAYED...


now pongo......which..one of these cant u do??? hold steady on calib?? or speed?

[BenDover]

Originally posted by Pongo
Your incorrect. Bombers in real life droped single bombs on single targets. from alt in level flight. It was a matter of normal usage in ww2. There are inumberable accounts of it. If you ignored a ww2 heavy bomber over your field and just let him drop he would mess your base up. Thats why they developed the things.Just because they were used in mass numbers area attacks doenst mean that that is the only way they were used. Now admittedly the Norden we have will allow that as well.

Most of the time those were lancasters, which had a better bomb site than the norden, it auto-calibrated.

Unfortunatly the bomb aimer couldn't control the direction of flight himself, so he had to comunicate with the pilot, usually something like this,
"Left, left, right abit, hold her steady, steady, steady, BOMBS GONE!"

[Tilt]

Originally posted by BenDover
Most of the time those were lancasters, which had a better bomb site than the norden, it auto-calibrated.

That surprises me.............   come the UK Con  this october I will ask our guest speaker who was a lanc bomb aimer........

The US refused to give the Brits the Norden (or the Sperry) for use in their bombers as they considered it's design just too to let out of their control.

[BenDover]

Ok, maybe it wasn't 'better', but one of them did auto-calibrate.

[Pongo]

Originally posted by Rutilant
I'm not attempting to speak for HT, i'm using common sense. HT has a good amount of control over the game, as this isnt a massive company. I can only assume he deems it beneficial for the game - and that he prefers it, otherwise he wouldnt have implemented it in the first place.

As for buffs being used dweebishly,
any on-the-deck buff is just a target, and i'de much rather have a low alt buff i can kill that porks my field rather than a 25k Lanc or B17 that porks 3 of my fields, which i can do nothing about. Same goes for CV killers (which will be plenty abundant after they're insured a level bombing CV kill) , and if the old system is brought back furballers will scream bloody murder.

It seems perfectly fine to me as it is, and I *have* thought this through, I'm not just automatically disagreeing. I still see no problem other than no AI gunner.

Oh, and 22 to 1? Looks about even to me in this thread.

Not sure what the hell your saying in most of this. We are encourage to have discussion on game play. Thats why there is a game play forum. Yet you bring up some nonsence about cant change it cause thats the way HT wants it. You accept that is a stupid point of view I hope. Or at least is should be apperant to others that it is a stupid point of view as it would discount any discussion. Yet the purpose of the formum is game play discussion.

you are selectivly reading. The wind layer would be in place. Bombing from above it without a calibrating sight would be useless. So your point is mute.
And I am 22 to 1 against bomber defensive guns this month. I dont understand your point. Are you saying that I have no support for this proposed game play change..your incorrect.

And mumbleMAW. keep going your putting on a good show.

[Toad]

Originally posted by Pongo
Yet you bring up some nonsence about cant change it cause thats the way HT wants it. You accept that is a stupid point of view I hope.  

Are you deliberately insulting Beet1e or is it just "collateral damage".

[Rutilant]

Originally posted by Pongo
Not sure what the hell your saying in most of this. We are encourage to have discussion on game play. Thats why there is a game play forum. Yet you bring up some nonsence about cant change it cause thats the way HT wants it. You accept that is a stupid point of view I hope. Or at least is should be apperant to others that it is a stupid point of view as it would discount any discussion. Yet the purpose of the formum is game play discussion.


And I am 22 to 1 against bomber defensive guns this month. I dont understand your point. Are you saying that I have no support for this proposed game play change..your incorrect.

And mumbleMAW. keep going your putting on a good show.

Is your defintion of discussion, "Agreeing With Pongo"?

Now you're changing what you said. Here you say 'bomber defensive guns'. The first time (what i'm responding to) you said 'against bombers in the MA'

(edit) exact quote: "We are 6 days into the month. I think I am 22 to 1 against bombers in the MA. Most of that is the ways they have to fly.

Get it straight

[Pongo]

HT wants it that way is not disscussion. Its pathetic.
So far I have had to deal with
HT wants it that way
and
If you leaned to bomb you would like it.

Some of you apperenlty love the bombing game. Well enjoy it. Its there for about 5% of you. The rest of us are too competative and want to help our counties in the game. And bombers dont do that anymore.

And as far as 21 to 1. What are you talking about.  Its not a trick statement. Bombers use defensive guns vs fighters.  When I  say vs bombers do you think I was refering to dodging thier bombs as they droped them? My point is they are meat. Period. 4 of those bombers where B17s in formation at 8k with gunners.
The poor buggers where trying to kill a town. A town. You can do that in a heavy typhoon yourself.

I enjoyed the norden a great deal cause I loved playing bombers in the game. But its exclusive use belongs maybe in the CT. Here the game play is about base capture and denial. And the norden doenst fit that. WHen a big raid is shows up at 25k with 3 dozen buffs. That is cool and that is what the norden is for. But for tactical use it is way to much of a restriction on the usefulness of bombers.

I say. Keep the norden and make it the only sight you get if you take a formation. Keep the wind layer so that any non norden bomber is useless above that layer. For more tactical useage the old sight should be available for single bombers.

[BlackCross]

I like the Norden. I can hit anything with it above /below the wind layer.   I like it because it makes me Eliete and special, cause I PRACTICED, and can hit most anything I aim for. Not any DWEEB can do what I do.  

As to the buffs defencive guns well I kilt me a 262 just the other day.  and I have other examples of My gunnery.

What I hate is the Strat system.  the strat that is implemented now is next to useless.  The targets are worthless to go after and make no dent in the efect on the other countries ability to wage war. I would love to have strat targets really impact a countries warfighting abillity. I would love for strat targets to have that kind of impact.  As it is now since strat is useless people don't up to defend them wich makes them "MILKRUN" specials.

[Rutilant]

Well Pongo, it'd be nice if you read my post at all, past the first 3 sentences, then you're see the discussion. But when you start readin you don't see, "Pongo, you're right" so you merrilly hit that quote button and reply.

As for the 22-1 I misunderstood and throught you were referring to a community vote type thing, sorry.

Buffs aren't 'meat' if the gunner/pilot/bombadier/navigator is any good, i haven't been killed in a buff above 10k (AGL) in the last couple of  tours, i have however gone in at 5k or so and gotten ripped to shreds by the furball, so i don't do that anymore and i have a great success rate. Havent flown much this tour, joystick broke and i'm huntin for a new one.

Anyhow, an experienced pilot/gunner/bombadier/navigator isnt as vulnerable as you make em out to be.

[Pongo]

Retulant.
here is my hope.
"I guess I want it all. I want the big buff formations flattening a whole base from orbit. and I want to be able to take up a lone B26 and support my squad in a base attack as well, duke it out with the interceptors at 15k and still have a chance to hit the base.

"
I want the norden available to both single and formation bombers and the non norden available to singles only. I want the wind layer kept so that the non norden is useless for any kind of accuracy at all from above the wind layer.

If Im being short with you please excuse me but note that I am being attacked by others at the same time.

[SKurj]

Agree with Pongo

SKurj