Author Topic: Time to give up on the norden. (Read 3324 times)

BGBMAW · « **Reply #60 on:** July 13, 2003, 04:00:10 PM »

o uyaa and this is great...the single B17 comes in doing barrel rolls then lazer boms the base....ya sounds really..."cool"

Pongo · « **Reply #61 on:** July 13, 2003, 04:39:09 PM »

Your recollection of the ease of bombing and the dominance of bombers pre norden is different then mine.
And as to my problem. Nothing specific other then thinking your a waste of oxygen.

thrila · « **Reply #62 on:** July 13, 2003, 05:47:57 PM »

I very rarely fly bomber sorties (generally i find bombers boring) but even with such little experience flying them i find it easy to hit stuff. From what i see people pickle 4 bombs, drop on a single hangar.... and usually miss (not surprisingly). When i buff i set the delay to .30 or .50 and salvo all the bombs together. when i vis the field i calibrate and drop from one end of the field to the other. If in lancs or b17's you'll usually take out a couple of hanagrs and some fuel/ammo.

bfreek · « **Reply #63 on:** July 14, 2003, 09:18:39 PM »

single bomber with JDAMs. get rid of the stinking buff induced lag.

Leslie · « **Reply #64 on:** July 14, 2003, 10:57:33 PM »

Hiya BigB!!!

Thanks for the offer bro. Am looking forward to the bomber practice. Finally was able to get a "green", so I've already made some progress.

A few of the guys I fly with are thinking about switching to the Knights for maybe a month or so. I'll look you up soon.

We usually fly evenings from about 10 PM CST 'til....

Take care and thanks again.

~~Les~~

BGBMAW · « **Reply #65 on:** July 15, 2003, 05:49:31 AM »

good Leslie..ill look out for yas..

um...
i always salvo 2 -500's ..and lazer bom vh'etc easy...

Pongo must need more TA time

Zanth · « **Reply #66 on:** July 15, 2003, 01:59:21 PM »

Where they messed up was not increasing the size of the town at each airfield. The town at each airfield could stand to be 4 times larger.

Red Tail 444 · « **Reply #67 on:** July 15, 2003, 04:28:42 PM »

yeah, one non -1 Corsair can take out about 90% of the town on full loadout

muckmaw · « **Reply #68 on:** July 17, 2003, 03:57:15 PM »

A few points...

Leslie, shoot me an e-mail at jpizzo127@yahoo.com and give me a date and time (a few would work better) to meet in the TA and I'll work with you.

BGB's scores may not reflect it because he's a flighty californian, and he often leaves his planes on autopilot to go do laundry or something, but put him on the bomb run, and he will hit anything he aims for. I've seen it, and I say this because he's that good..not because he's a squaddie. Watch...the BK's a great dogfighters. Not squaddies, just recognizing their skill.

Pongo,

You've flown 19 sorties this tour in a bomber, and 20 last tour, and yet you rank high. Stats are bull**** and you know it. Either you are good with the sight, which you say you are'nt, or your milkrunning.

You know what, don't fly bombers. You can find something else to do with the 3 hours a month you spend in them.

Leave the sight alone. As someone else wisely said, now it takes skill. I don't want a 2 weeker coming in, matching my hit% with no practice. I like to earn what I score. (Hence, no score padding, BS milkruns.)

I like the fact that when a CV needs to be sunk, the squad and those that know us call my group, the heavy bomber wing of the MAW. I like being the "Goto" group when accuracy is key.

I don't want anyone to compete with me in bombers until they've put in the time and energy to learn to use them right. I will gladly teach anyone that needs help.

As for defensive guns; please stop it. I have no trouble laughing off all but the best fighter pilots attacking my group. Show me a time when 90% of fighters don't come DEAD SIX at slow closure while I'm staring at them from the command of 6-18 50 Cal. machine guns, and I'll show you successful bomber killers.

Hell, even AHGOD in his 262 and then in a 163 during my same sortie fell to my guns. Make mistakes, and I will win.

Leave the Norden alone. Gone are the days of dweeby point and click bombing, hyper-accuracy from 50K. Good Riddance.

Gone are the days of one lanc leveling all FH's at a up to a MED field. Good Riddance.

I like fighting my way to a target, using skills and thought, and relying on my skills to hit said target. I like to be angry with myself when I miss. I like to force myself to try harder and fly smarter. I like a challenge.

Either learn how to do it right, or don't do it at all. Either way, leave my bombsight alone. Save the point and click bombing for the kiddies.

I'll be happy to help ANYONE who wants some pointers.

BGBMAW · « **Reply #69 on:** July 17, 2003, 05:14:48 PM »

ahh just got bak ...level bomed 2 bish cv's..(1 they stole from us)

7k at 200 ias..salvo 6 500lbers.......smashed them both good...with 2 kills for me both runs....dam fun...

needed some escort for the deep in nmy territory one..but dam fun..and succesful:)

Salute BiGB

ps..good post muck...told ya he wascrazy..hehehe

LePaul · « **Reply #70 on:** July 17, 2003, 06:11:44 PM »

Im with Pongo on this, all things considered

The few times I'm not greeted by an air demonstration team of 163s, I'm almost able to get bombs off on a HQ run. The drone system is pretty iffy to me. I still seem to absorb damage taken by one plane to all. So if one lanc looses a tail gun, all my planes are dead meat

Sure, give me the laser sight back. For all the time spent cruising to alt, surviving attacking cons and such...sure, it would be great to know that after all that effort, my bombs will hit what I wanted to hit.

I liked someone's idea of solo buffs have the old sight, formations have Norden

muckmaw · « **Reply #71 on:** July 17, 2003, 06:36:28 PM »

Sorry, LePaul-

I have to disagree. As a dedicated Bomber and CO of a Bomber Squadron, one would think I would be adamant about gfetting the old bombsight back.

No thanks. I like a challenge. I like to compete with other bomber pilots where there is a level of skill involved. Not to say getting to the target in one piece takes no skill...it does.

But then, I'm a guy who would be happy going over a checklist, preflight, taxi, clearance, etc ultra-realist.

Also, I doubt you'd see any guy in my squad asking for the old sight back.

The question that sticks out to me is, why would you want to speacialize in an area of the game than ANYONE can do at the same level as you with no practice?

The Norden seperates us, the lover of heavies from just any old fighterjock who feels like a change of pace.

Does anyone understand what I mean, or am I not being clear on my position?

Blue Mako · « **Reply #72 on:** July 17, 2003, 06:42:56 PM »

muck you are spot on.

This game should take some effort to be good at. Frankly, the bomb sight on the buffs isn't that hard to use either. I hardly fly buffs but after spending 1 hour in the TA a while back practicing with it, I can hit almost as well as I used to be able to with the pinpoint sight. Those that are whining about the sight obviously haven't taken the trouble to learn how to use it.

Keep the calibrating sight. We could do with some refinements (such as a speed display when calibrating) but in general I think it is an enhancement over the old system.

And muck you're right, it's good to have something to separate the casual buffers from the dedicated drivers.

muckmaw · « **Reply #73 on:** July 17, 2003, 06:52:37 PM »

Excellent point.

Airspeed indicator in the bombsight...that's where we ARE getting screwed. The bombsight should tell us in a digital display, what our current speed is, and the speed at which we calibrated.

(I'll settle for analog)

Easyscor · « **Reply #74 on:** July 17, 2003, 08:58:21 PM »

Forget the airspeed indicator.
I'd settle for a compass to use for wind layer work. That compass we have with it's 6 degrees wide offset dial is hard to read in a hurry but if we can't have a digital compass in the bombsight, at least change the pointer to reflect the true heading, and how about smaller 5 degree tick marks so we can actually make adjustments of less than 3 degrees.