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« Reply #15 on: May 10, 2001, 11:19:00 AM »
 
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it is subtle and mysterious and missing.

it was there in Warbirds scenarios, HA and even MA. somehow when playing that game it felt like you were pretending to be a ww2 pilot.

here it feels like we have the worlds greatest warbird flight modelling and ground air warfare yet it is missing that quality of being a ww2 sim.

Maybe what your feeling is a by-product of something that is exclusive to you? I mean you think this effect is what everyone is thinking? Maybe you are just just geting mechanical about it (you have been doing sims a long time citabr)...or even maybe you are just growing up..naaa...

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« Reply #16 on: May 10, 2001, 11:20:00 AM »
Funked... I'm gona hire you man for my next add campaign here...  

Can't have a WW2 Immersion if you're surrounded by all sorts of your Airforce's planes (Not 109's with LA7's escorting a B17   )

Scenarios are there for that purpose if I remember well...

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« Reply #17 on: May 10, 2001, 12:09:00 PM »
For shreck's sake...

All this banging on about historical this and historical that, but only a small proportion of people actually SUPPORT THE HISTORICAL EVENTS.

I don't mean the multi-frame campaigns, I mean the weekend events. Don't like the way they are set up? Then get off your fat arse and design one or start a thread discussing what you would like to see.

Maybe then start a vague and 'hand-wavy' thread about AH missing 'something' or how you want a HA.  
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« Reply #18 on: May 10, 2001, 12:20:00 PM »
Absolutely right, Dowding. Look at the work put into the ladder competition, then look how many people joined the latest tournament. Look at the demand for regular events, then look at the turnout. The numbers don't match, friends.

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« Reply #19 on: May 10, 2001, 12:31:00 PM »
Only real difference I can see between the AH sense of immersion and the WB (pre WW2 arena) sense of immersion was the participants.

If this is a quest for the MA to become a WW2 arena, then I am not for it.

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« Reply #20 on: May 10, 2001, 12:41:00 PM »
many online role play games haz Hardcore servers <something like lets say Historical arena> where u can REAly chalange your skill and win biger revards < maybe more perkies ? >  and for the hapy furbal  the MA just like in many other online games the  cheap arena for fast fun

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« Reply #21 on: May 10, 2001, 01:02:00 PM »
Kieren - I just don't understand how the MA can appeal more to people than an historical event. I know Historical events aren't for everyone, but I've been at events with only 20 other people when the MA has 140 people in.

Who cares if A11 is under attack from a mixed wave of VVS/LW/USAF/RAF planes when you could be pretending to be a B17 pilot fending off swarms of 190s or a spitfire pilot attacking Ju88s over Blighty?

For me historical events and campaigns are the only reason I really play AH. The MA is just a distraction.  

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« Reply #22 on: May 10, 2001, 01:07:00 PM »
Those two hurt AH far beyond their FM wierdness...

You can add the following things to the last:

BS Bombers
BS CV "Psychic" 10 mile flak
BS Ostis- hopefully fixed in 1.07

What these all do is encourage cheap gaming of the game, thus AH goes from being a WW2 oriented high realism simulator, to simply being another online shoot-em-up game; a sort of fancy air quake.

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« Reply #23 on: May 10, 2001, 01:12:00 PM »
My heart is in HA, my reality is MA (because of time). Then again, I like the option of doing whatever turns my crank on a particular night, too. It is true the real strengths and weaknesses of a/c aren't apparent when not pitted against historical foes, but it is fun to play "what if". I guess there are a whole lot of ways to look at the picture.

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« Reply #24 on: May 10, 2001, 01:17:00 PM »
They need to have stats for the Scenarios, and a Scenario stat page, that way you'd get more involved.

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« Reply #25 on: May 10, 2001, 01:49:00 PM »
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« Reply #26 on: May 10, 2001, 02:08:00 PM »
NO!!! Don't hang him. BUUUUURRRNN HHIIIIIIIMMM!!!!!!!    

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« Reply #27 on: May 10, 2001, 02:13:00 PM »
Nothing says realistic WW2 feel like an arena full of panzer killing, 1000yd spraying, HO chogs- with their tremendous service record in the war and all.....

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« Reply #28 on: May 10, 2001, 02:23:00 PM »
 
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Kieren - I just don't understand how the MA can appeal more to people than an historical event. I know Historical events aren't for everyone, but I've been at events with only 20 other people when the MA has 140 people in.

Who cares if A11 is under attack from a mixed wave of VVS/LW/USAF/RAF planes when you could be pretending to be a B17 pilot fending off swarms of 190s or a spitfire pilot attacking Ju88s over Blighty?

For me historical events and campaigns are the only reason I really play AH. The MA is just a distraction.  


The reason we have so low a turnout for the Weekend events is not a lack of interest, or even a lack of desire to re-enact WWII scenarios.  It stems from a few reasons.
   First, I think that there is no true reward for a scenario for the avarage player because they are just a few hours long, once a week.  Sure you feel good doing it, but there is no lasting effect, the arena resets and there is a new and different one next week.
   Second, Many people don't like the structure of the scenarios.  The whole loggin, get told what plane to fly, where to fly it from and where to fly it to, and what to do with it when you get there mentality.  Couple this with the waiting for 30+ minutes while the CMs get everything assigned (not a bag CMs, I know how hard it is to get these things off the ground with what you have to work with, and I thank you for the effort.), and the one life to live, and many pilots don't think it's worth it.

Think about this:
An Historical arena, that is rotated every 6 weeks or so.  People can plan there own missions, hold there own squad events, and fly a set plane-set, but with more than just one or two planes to choose from.  As for a "rolling plane set"  I think that you can start it off with the earlier planes on each side, then after a week or two add some Middle-war aircraft, then a couple weeks later add the rest for each side. Or even perk the late war planes (but I still don't like the current perk system).
   I don't think there's anything to lose by trying that type of setup.  If it's a bust, then just take it down after a few months and go in a different direction.

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« Reply #29 on: May 10, 2001, 02:48:00 PM »
Just sayin', but...

The reason I don't show up for the weekend historical events is because they are held at a bad time for me.  I did make a special effort for Hostile Shores, and managed to attend 3 of the frames.

I've been showing up for the Friday night snapshots most of the time, but this last Friday there wasn't one, and no one even answered my post asking why.

Shrug.  A HA doesn't really appeal to me, but occasional historical events held in the evening would.

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