Author Topic: Death of Dar (Read 1441 times)

Bodhi · « **on:** July 06, 2003, 12:08:31 AM »

Is it me, or is it when your home country's dar is completely removed, does it take all the fun out of the game? Then too top it all off, the HQ bug refused to allow us to resupply our HQ ending the problem... I was so discouraged, I logged this evening.

I am not much of a strat player, I like to fly fighters is all, but I have no problem with others flying strat. The problem I have is when the loss of dar completely hinders your ability to continue on as a coherent force. IMHO, the dar bug is known, and is exploited too much, ruining the fun for too many. I suggest that until it is fixed, remove the ability to destroy dar completely.

The Ultra SImoids, will say dar did not exist, the casual guy, who wants too have fun, uses the dar too find the fight. Thats me, its a game for enjoyment, when dar is out, and you can not fix it, it ceases to be fun....

Unfortunately, this is getting old... old real fast.

Cooley · « **Reply #1 on:** July 06, 2003, 12:32:49 AM »

Nah,,I dont mind not havin DAR

Keeps ya on your toes on climbout, and its Pretty easy to figure out where the Battle's at by watchin Radio and Map activity

Edit : A fun option also if Intrested, Is to go visit CT, TA or DA for a change of pace

Sandman · « **Reply #2 on:** July 06, 2003, 12:45:32 AM »

IMO, the local radar (if intact) should always work from the tower regardless of the HQ status.

I also think that the radar should not be available within the aircraft.

WB had it better... just a bearing line to the nearest aircraft from within the cockpit.

john9001 · « **Reply #3 on:** July 06, 2003, 12:45:49 AM »

if you don't like to lose radar, defend your HQ,

oh sorry, i forgot, thats not FUN

GScholz · « **Reply #4 on:** July 06, 2003, 01:11:36 AM »

And even here joyful John spreads his rays of sunshine, I'm so happy you're part of this community John.

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Lazerus · « **Reply #5 on:** July 06, 2003, 01:32:09 AM »

The word from ht is that the dar bug is not a bug but a game feature. Go figure.

beet1e · « **Reply #6 on:** July 06, 2003, 04:47:26 AM »

Oh no, not another furballer-complaining-about-the-strat thread. I don't think I can stand much more of this.

The effect of destruction of the HQ radar is documented in the Aces High Help application. As I see it, the buff guys are entitled to fly their LANCs and B17s to your HQ and kill the radar. It can be fixed, by a few guys flying goon missions to resupply it. I have done it myself many times because I know what a pain it is when the radar is down. I have also flown P47D25s to intercept the buffs. Sure, it's a long flight but the outcome is rewarding. Look at this map pic, and you can see how far I had to fly to stop our radar being attacked once again after we had resupplied HQ. (Lazs is going to hate me for posting this - LOL)

All the kills were of buffs. It took me longer than 5 minutes to fly to the HQ, and the same length of time to fly back. I almost ran out of fuel. I did it so that my guys could continue to have their radar, and fun. Those were my rewards. I am not a me-me-me-me-me type of player. I could not be happy like that. Refer to my dad's sermon.

One thing I have noticed is that on at least one of the maps there is a V-base with a spawn point right near HQ. But for some reason, it was not possible to resupply using M3s - zero perk points at end of sortie. Had to use a goon instead - some pp awarded, indicating that the flight had contributed to resupply.

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Originally posted by john9001
if you don't like to lose radar, defend your HQ,

oh sorry, i forgot, thats not FUN

Hehe John. My thoughts exactly. Most of 'em wouldn't have the attention span anyway. So instead, they'll whine to HTC to have the game changed. And I discover new depths of despair...

If destruction of strat objects including HQ radar is denied, then yet again the furballers will have succeeded in forcing buffers to play the game the furballers' way.

Bodhi, you're a decent bloke but please don't press for game changes. Because in your own words, this is getting old... old real fast.

Arlo · « **Reply #7 on:** July 06, 2003, 09:50:11 AM »

~~and good job.~~

lazs2 · « **Reply #8 on:** July 06, 2003, 10:03:47 AM »

yeah john... who would play a game to have...... fun? don't they know this is supposed to be work? sorta like boot camp... it's not fun but it builds character.

Naa.. having the dar out is boring. It's not really a game breaker most of the time but it is boring and gamey... simply some gamey feature put in to make the strat guys have an 'effect" on everyone else. No realism just gamey.
lazs

beet1e · « **Reply #9 on:** July 06, 2003, 10:16:13 AM »

Lazs, have you ever thought that the presence of HQ encourages buffs to fly in the first place, thereby giving the 163 something to go after. HTC has designed the game to promote fights/battles, and the capture or attempted capture of bases is what gives rise to much of the fighting. Much better than the "manufactured" fights, but a difficult concept to understand for someone who plays only half or a third of the game.

lazs2 · « **Reply #10 on:** July 06, 2003, 10:39:35 AM »

having dar in a WWII sim is gamey?

It could be made more realistic and it could be made less but the bottom line is that if people can't find each other in a combat game then they don't want to play that game.
lazs

Bodhi · « **Reply #11 on:** July 06, 2003, 11:11:35 AM »

Beetle,

I do not want to remove the feature, just see it tweaked. Last night, goon resupply was tried, as was M3 resupply, and neither worked. Somehow it managed to stay at the same level for over an hour. Thats what frustrated me, we could NOT fix the problem..

As for those abvocating that dar isn't realistic? Guess what, a lot of what goes on in here is not realistic, from rearming in 30 seconds to the reconstructing of bases in 15 mins. Cripes, maybe we could add screams of agony and blood spattered all over the cockpit for pilot wounds, maybe that would be realistic, or better yet, lets make every pilot (or find another player) to stay behind and work on his aircraft so it is ready to fly the next day, it could be done by repetitively pushing key sequences too simulate turning wrenches, checking fluids, and inspecting the aircraft. Now that would be realistic huh... fun, NOT. Ya know what, this kick to make the game ultra realistic is getting old... real old, too.

I am not advocating we change the game, just maybe make it so the DAR loss is not so catastrophic for all. Maybe make the loss last 15 mins like it does on everything else? That would be fair. Or maybe 30 mins and you can try to resupply it during that time. Atleast then, the loss period is not so boring for those not interested in spending all day defending an HQ from a NOE mission by a bunch of suicide JABOS. Ohh, thats realistic too...

Arlo · « **Reply #12 on:** July 06, 2003, 11:12:02 AM »

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Lazs2 sez:
... but the bottom line is that if people can't find each other in a combat game then they don't want to play that game.

You can't find a fight without dar?

lazs2 · « **Reply #13 on:** July 06, 2003, 11:22:25 AM »

well... can't depend on finding one worthwhile. I would also point out that looking at your stats... you can't seem to find one even with dar.
lazs

Arlo · « **Reply #14 on:** July 06, 2003, 11:27:39 AM »

Didn't mean to threaten your security to the point of stat research ... was just surprised at your inability to find a fight without dar. After all, you're the vet of the game and all. I was finding enemy to shoot down just fine when they ran the slot in the SEA without dar one night .... and that was with three people in it. *ShruG*

Oh well ... again ... sorry for hurtin' yer feelins and all.