B5n missing

[Sakai]

From Axis fields.  

Is there a reaon we can't drop the Ki-67 and Boston and make tis a single-engine campaign???

Sakai

[Eagler]

2nd this

[DJ111]

Wouldn't the B5N fit better than the Ki67 anyway?

[Slash27]

4th

Why not give it a try? Its only a week.

[CurtissP-6EHawk]

5th

..but I dont count :-)

[Sakai]

Originally posted by CurtissP-6EHawk
5th

..but I dont count :-)

Except to 5.

Sakai

[brady]

The B5N is suposed to be enabled, I will check the seting's.

 Yes their is a reasion the Ki 67 and Boston are enabled.

 If you had just the Kate and the VAl aganst the SBD, you would have a problem, the SBD is realy a mid war plane and it is a very deadly plane aganst the Zero, it's twin 30's in the tail can kill a Zero easly and it's twin 50's in the nose are effective aganst the Zero as well, and it handels decently enought to be able to get kills aganst it. The Kate is basical unarmend and is for the most part not a plane anyone is going to use, and if they do they likely not to reach their target, the Val has half the bombload as the SBD and while it does actualy have guns it is still in now way an SBD. What you left with in this case is the allies haveing three efective planes the Huricane the P40 and the SBD aganst the Zero. The bomber equation is also compleatly screwed and only the Kate has a bomb sight.

 
  With the Boston and the Ki 67 enabled the bigest problem we have is the incessent whining that occures because they are to fast to be caught most of time and this is realy irating people, folks we nead more planes to do many of the set up's we wnat to do and do them right untill then at times we are going to have to make do with what we have. Personaly I dont bother trying to intercept the buffs on this map I look for the fighters to go and kill, I cant catch them they arent going to do much if any real damage if they reach their target and their their so people who like buff's and their sights can have a toy to play with.

  Other posable Sub's and why their not being used:

 JU 88, get real this plane has a 6K bombload, almost all Japanese bombers caried around 1800 pounds, it's way tougher, can dive bomb (somthing japanes Twin engined Buff's couldent do), It's German, ect...

 TBM, well this mid war plane actualy more deadly to the A6M2 than the Boston is in terms of it's defensive firepower, it's two forward 50's are also more effective than the Bostons 303's , and it's not Japanese. Again the down side hear is that were tiping the scales back in the Allied favor in the bomber catagory by puting a plane in that is more deadly to the Japanese than it is to the Allies.

[Sakai]

Originally posted by brady
The B5N is suposed to be enabled, I will check the seting's.

 Yes their is a reasion the Ki 67 and Boston are enabled.

 

we understand these reasons but

1) no B5N since inception Friday and

2) Clearly we all think it is worth a try.  The SBD is not that great and the Kate is deadly accurate in delivery.  

I kill every SBD I see when in a Val but I haven't seen many this time out for Burma.

The main reason people fly Bostons and Ki-67s is to wipe out fighters.  Let's get the bombers back to being bombers.  

We know we ned early war buffs, we don't have them so let's stick with the single engined jobs.  They are all slow and anemic.

Sakai

[brady]

I fixed the B5N, it is available now.

 

 "2) Clearly we all think it is worth a try. The SBD is not that great and the Kate is deadly accurate in delivery."

  Yes most of those posting that favore removing the planes they think should be removed do seam to agree with one another:), but they also seam to be missing the larger issue at hand that is tied to this.

"I kill every SBD I see when in a Val but I haven't seen many this time out for Burma. "

 Well I killed most all the Zero's(A6M2's) that tryed to kill me in a SBD when I was in one on the slot map, this doesent change the potential lethality and bomb weight discrepency's.

"The main reason people fly Bostons and Ki-67s is to wipe out fighters. Let's get the bombers back to being bombers."

 We it's takes two to do this doesent it, It's prety hard to get real agressive in a peggy it has no fixed guns and it is not real nimble, so if you troling for fighter's you nead someone to bight. The Boston is a bit different it can be used far more agresively but inso doing it loses most of it's advantages and can then be killed, but they can be easly avoided, just like the Peggy.

"We know we ned early war buffs, we don't have them so let's stick with the single engined jobs. They are all slow and anemic."

 Again your missing the big picture hear:

 "If you had just the Kate and the VAl aganst the SBD, you would have a problem, the SBD is realy a mid war plane and it is a very deadly plane aganst the Zero, it's twin 30's in the tail can kill a Zero easly and it's twin 50's in the nose are effective aganst the Zero as well, and it handels decently enought to be able to get kills aganst it. The Kate is basical unarmend and is for the most part not a plane anyone is going to use, and if they do they likely not to reach their target, the Val has half the bombload as the SBD and while it does actualy have guns it is still in now way an SBD. What you left with in this case is the allies haveing three efective planes the Huricane the P40 and the SBD aganst the Zero. The bomber equation is also compleatly screwed and only the Kate has a bomb sight."

[CurtissP-6EHawk]

Brady "...the SBD ....... and it is a very deadly plane aganst the Zero, it's twin 30's in the tail can kill a Zero easly...."

so why are the four .30s in the P-40B, (and nose .50s?) and twin .30s in the nose, 6 guns, not as deadly as the two little .30s in the SBD's tail, or even 6 guns vs two .50s in the nose of the SBD?


Hmmm did you just say something wrong?

[brady]

This goes toward the comparison of the guns relative to the balance issue regarding the Bomber's and side balancing, while the SBD is more deadly to the Zero than the Kate or val are to the Huricane or to the P40, thus we have an imbalance on this point, and other's, (in this scenario being proposed).

[CurtissP-6EHawk]

Ahsh, Master, Grasshoppah not ready yet

[Löwe]

Originally posted by Sakai
we understand these reasons but
\The main reason people fly Bostons and Ki-67s is to wipe out fighters.  Let's get the bombers back to being bombers.
Sakai

Sakai is right. I don't squeak about the speed of the bombers because I can't catch them. In fact  I killed 19 Bostons yesterday. All you got to do is have an alt advantage to hunt em. I squeak because people get in there and use them as fighters. And if you call them on it, their answer is........ It's only got two 303s. Two 303s will kick stuffing out of a zeke thats in a fight with a couple of Hurris, and or P-40's , and some puke decides to start cherry picking the  fights. If they have a gunner they get a crack at you on the engress, and the egress.
The TBM for both sides for a medium bomber would be the best bet. Yeah the firepower is more than the Boston, but you won't see as many people using them as some kind of half assed P-47. No insult intended  56th FG.

[brady]

I think they have 4 303's in the nose, unless I am tryping they do:). Ya they get used that way, and ya if ya get a good line up on a Zero you can rip them apart with them, but you are seeing them, if we had the TBM you most likely would not see many of them, and all it would be is fighter's in the air, fighters that cary no effeective ordance for atacking the bases with.

[Slash27]

Boston has 4 .303's.  I would take a Zero over a SBD anyday. Yes if given half a chance it will knock down a Zeke but is it that unbalanceing?   WHy not try without the bombers for a few days? If its sucks then oh well, dont do it again.