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Offline Arfann

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« Reply #105 on: July 12, 2003, 12:36:10 AM »
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Vulcan you dumb butt, he's talking about Texas Buddahists.  Geez!

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Actually, the organization I mentioned has groups in Texas and most other states.

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« Reply #106 on: July 12, 2003, 03:25:08 AM »
i havent been good at links but i hope this one works. http://www.abetterhope.com/hope/sayings.html
"I am moist like bacon"

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« Reply #107 on: July 12, 2003, 09:27:53 AM »
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i havent been good at links but i hope this one works. http://www.abetterhope.com/hope/sayings.html


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Don't you be one of those who strike hands, of those who are collateral for debts. If you don't have means to pay, why should he take away your bed from under you?.


huh?

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« Reply #108 on: July 12, 2003, 09:47:17 AM »
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huh?



NO, the appropriate response is
 WTF? Over.

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« Reply #109 on: July 12, 2003, 09:52:19 AM »
You're right!

here's another ... WTF??!

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When you sit to eat with a ruler, consider diligently what is before you; put a knife to your throat, if you are a man given to appetite.

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« Reply #110 on: July 12, 2003, 09:53:46 AM »
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You're right!

here's another ... WTF??!

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When you sit to eat with a ruler, consider diligently what is before you; put a knife to your throat, if you are a man given to appetite.
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My head hurts!

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« Reply #111 on: July 12, 2003, 09:56:22 AM »
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My head hurts!


Is Solomon saying watch out for attorneys?

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Don't move the ancient boundary stone. Don't encroach on the fields of the fatherless: for their Defender is strong. He will plead their case against you.

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« Reply #112 on: July 12, 2003, 09:59:02 AM »
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Oh boy banana, God is gonna toss you in the hottest corner of hell for this kind of crazy talk. Or maybe God will be humming a tune in his kitchen while you sputter and sizzle nicely, like a fat, greazy chorizo in the RED HOT skillet God reserves for blasphemers  :p


  Yeah that reminds me... just what is it that burns anyway? Are spirits made of combustible molecules? Do they still have spirit nerve ending? Can a spirit feel pain? Are there still electromagnetic signals still travelling through a spirit nervous system?

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« Reply #113 on: July 12, 2003, 11:52:40 AM »
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Yeah that reminds me... just what is it that burns anyway? Are spirits made of combustible molecules? Do they still have spirit nerve ending? Can a spirit feel pain? Are there still electromagnetic signals still travelling through a spirit nervous system?


My head hurts so much!:(

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« Reply #114 on: July 27, 2003, 02:09:53 PM »
read a few books by the dalai lama...

they are fascinating.

he is a cool old dude in my opinion.

really makes you question your belief system and really makes you more aware of the suffering of others and how you can help to alleviate that suffering.

i dig the buddhists.

every bible pusher ive ever met is a hypocrit. they talk the talk (over and over and over and over again) but very rarely walk the walk.

its a fairy tale.

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« Reply #115 on: July 27, 2003, 03:26:57 PM »
Ok i havent read the entire thread im sorry but there is something which is REALLy intereesting with the current theories of just what our universe is made up of.

M-Theory.

It is a fairly new take on the very fabric of our universe (and al the other parallel ones!!)and basically it all boils down to every piece of matter is somehow connected. Almost like a force that is ever present all around us. The string theories are fascinating to read about and i have recently started reading 'The Elegant universe' by Brian Greene (ISBN 0-099-28992-X) and i have been totally engrossed by it. It makes you realise that we are taking too much for granted around us. We should be actively seeking knowledge about this sort of thng as it can actually change your whole outlook on the world around you.

What is fascinating is gravity. A immensely powerfull force holding entire solar systems together yet when you consider we can pick up a weight or jump around in it , it just didnt add up It acts on objects thousands upon thousands of miles from the source.It pulls all those asteroids for instance. A immensely powerfull force which seems to excert a tiny force on us. This is where things got amazing!
A female scientist (i'll edit in her name later Helen quinn?) was seeking ways to explain this phenomenon and she needed a way to explain where all that gravitational power was going. She suggested it could be somehow excerting most of its force into another dimension. It was a stroke of genious. It allowed a closer matching of the large scale universe model with the chaotic world of quantum physics .This and other theories led them on the latest path of theories, we could even be looking at the holy grail of theories: 'The theory of Everything'. Calculations led to more strange and fascinating discoveries or at least predictions.

to cut a long story short they came up with the M-theory which is uncanny in that it almost predicts a sort of MAGIC to our universe. A universe where almost anything is possible. So now we have a form of energy which permeates everything and is connected to EVERYTHING. from the smallest atom to the largest star.

An energy all around us, in us and for all we know we may even have some sort of basic instinct which is AWARE of it.

Could this be the 'God' we always seek? Could we be seeing the very face of this god? or is it just a form of 'matter' and theres no real 'life' to it? Why does a universe somehow develop a lifeform which now has the potential to understand its universe?. Design? random fluke? We need to answer it for our own sanity! :)

It doesnt matter if you're a scientist or a bishop it comes down to a belief. We can only go back as far as the 'Big Bang' and there you are faced with that age old question again. Did it all start from nothing? Or is this the very point at which 'God' created us all?

Science and religion could both be right. We may not have the right idea about what a 'god' really is.This energy could be what a 'god' actually is. Religious people will see it as a sign there is a god while scientists will name it 'M-energy' or something and carry on seeking knowledge of it.Its really all up to you to seek the truth and learn about all this.I hope you all find what you seek  ;)

I cant remember the chapter or verse but the bible does say something about we should seek wisdom and understanding. seems its not a bad piece of advice ;)
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« Reply #116 on: July 27, 2003, 07:02:05 PM »
Hey there Hazed,

I read the "Elegant Universe" about two years ago. I wound up reading it a total of three times as I'm sure you will to.

Membrane theory, I believe, is onto something HUGE. The problem is we just don't have power sources and particle colliders strong enough to test many of the theories as yet. But we will :)

If you're interested, I have several other books that I can recommend that I'm sure you'll enjoy immensely.

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« Reply #117 on: July 27, 2003, 07:03:21 PM »
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What is fascinating is gravity. A immensely powerfull force holding entire solar systems together yet when you consider we can pick up a weight or jump around in it , it just didnt add up  


Actually gravity is an incredibly weak force applied on an immense scale. If you can't add it up you shouldn't be writing books like this.

Maybe these 'scientists' should investigate the fart. If an astronaut farted in space (lets assume some sort of valve system was involved with his spacesuit) it would provide amazing levels of propulsion. Now when I fart on earth I get less than a inch off the chair. It just doesn't add up does it?

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« Reply #118 on: July 27, 2003, 07:07:30 PM »
Vulcan,

People couldn't add up the inability to exceed the speed of light not too many years ago. Some idiot named Albert Einstein decided to write a paper about it. Amazingly enough, this autistic fool cracked the secret and shook the foundations of science.

I'll bet he farted on occasion as well.

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« Reply #119 on: July 27, 2003, 07:13:54 PM »
Whats that got to do with a bunch on wannabe scientiests claiming gravity is some "immensely powerful force" and wondering why we can lift a brick. All I was pointing out was its obvious (to someone who understand even a little basic physics) they ain't got a clue.