Religion & Science

[Syzygyone]

Originally posted by Hortlund
MT...sue your parents or your teacher or whatever...

HORT, YOU SWEDEN GUY YOU!  PLEASE ANSWER YOUR PRESS OR I WILL HAVE TO SELL MY VOLVO!

[midnight Target]

Originally posted by Hortlund
MT...sue your parents or your teacher or whatever...

Your right... logic means nothing. Why do I try?

Hortlund you ignorant slut! I have given you plenty of data to show that "the" Library existed after 20BC and that its eventual demise was due to religious upheaval (Both Christian and Moslem).

Yet you continue to toss out these piece of crap little name calling juvenile tardlike sissy pants numbnut idiotic fartfilled bag of gas replies that mean nothing. Your ignorance shocks me.

If you have anything to add such as an argument that religion enhanced mankinds knowledge or something along those lines please play on. Otherwise I will taunt you a second time.

[Wlfgng]

IMO organized religion is mostly a farce comprised of it's share of hypocrites trying to tell other people how to live their lives.

belief in god, good/bad, etc isn't always the same thing as religion

[AKS\/\/ulfe]

Originally posted by Stang
The library burned in 47BC I'm pretty sure, and Rome was not Christian until Constantine came to power in Rome after the battle of the milvian bridge,

Certainly you know that there were nevertheless Christian Romans throughout the Roman empire history, and before Rome's official conversion?

The influence to become Christian came through Contantine, but Rome was still not Christian during Constantine's rule between 306 and 337 A.D.

The entire library was not burned down 48BC by Caesar, as can be evidenced in this link:
http://www.ehistory.com/world/articles/ArticleView.cfm?AID=9

So Hortlund is wrong, it didn't burn to the ground and get rebuilt, it was damaged and some material was lost.

Over the course of several hundred years, the library was eventually destroyed.
-SW

[Syzygyone]

Originally posted by midnight Target


Hortlund you ignorant slut!.... Your ignorance shocks me.

 

Tsk tsk, tsk Logic Police Alert

If you knew enough to call him ignorant in the first place, yout statement that his ignorance shocks you is a logical non-sequitur and shuold be thrown out with the cressant roll wrapper.

Now, on the other hand, if you are shocked by the magnitude of his ignorance, then that's a differenet story.  But, you didn't say that.  Erego, logically speaking, your most recent rant was unsupportable.  But, this is Amurica and being fair mined and all, I respectfully offer you the opportunity to to rephrse to something like:

Hortlunds Ignorance = If Hortlund's brain were put on the edge of razor blade, it'd look like a pea rolling down four lane highway!

If you are going to troll MT, you should not be surprised if a scutfish jumps on the old hook, even though you were fishing for large mouth bass!

P.S. This post has nothing at all to do withHORTLUN NOT ANSWERING DIPLOMACY PRESS

Really, it doesn't!  Really!

[Hortlund]

LOL it seems pretty apparent that critical reading aint AKSW's strong side...

well that was to be expected...

[Hortlund]

Originally posted by midnight Target
I have given you plenty of data to show that "the" Library existed after 20BC and that its eventual demise was due to religious upheaval (Both Christian and Moslem).

English cannot possibly be your first language MT, either that or you have the reading comprehension skills of a drunken cow.

I suggest reading through this thread one more time...this time perhaps with a childrens ABC-book close at hand.

[AKS\/\/ulfe]

It appears reading comprehension isn't on your side Hortlund, sure would hate to be tried in your court.

"No, it WAS definitely destroyed in BC!"

While it is evidenced in the link I provided that in each of those eras in which it is cited to have been destroyed, there is no concrete evidence it was completely destroyed by any one of those 3.

From Julius Caesar, to the Christians, to the Muslims, there is no concrete evidence any one of those three completely destroyed it - only stories of each one completely destroying it.

The only way you can for certain say it was totally destroyed sometime BC is by ignoring the facts, you must suck as a judge if you do that.
-SW

[midnight Target]

Let me know when you can get someone to read it and explain it to you stevie. Then maybe we can talk.


For anyone else interested the actual decline and loss of the contents of the Library seem to be a matter of debate among scholars...

1. The original "burning of the museum by Ceasar" reported by Plutarch may have some truth to it, but may not. Plutarch wasn't a fan of Ceasar by any means and while there are numerous documented histories of the fire in the harbor... only Plutarch mentions the loss of the museum.

2. The sacking and destruction of the Library in 391 was enhanced by Edward Gibbon's in "The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire" in the 18th century. This was more likely a loss of about 10% of the collected works and the conversion of the Library into a Christian temple.

3. The 3rd version places the blame on the Moslem Kalif who decided to destroy all books that contradict the Koran as Heresy and all that agree as superfluous. These "facts" were reported by Bishop Gregory Bar Hebraeus, "a Christian who spent a great deal of time writing about Moslem atrocities without much historical documentation."

Whats the point?

There was most certainly a collection of ancient works in a building in Alexandria after 47 BCE. The mosty likely reason for their disappearance is the overall rise in power of the various religious sects in Alexandria. Spiritualism won out over science and much was lost.

[Gunthr]

MT, you are the Ayahtrolla of Aces High BB.

[Gunthr]

As much as I would like to agree with my faithful friends, I believe that, unfortunately, there is no divine being, no diety, no God. So instead of relying on the power of God to works things out for us, I wish we would all start relying on the power of each other, as compassionate and thinking individuals, to solve the problems of today and tomorrow. "We're all in this together" seems to me a fitting phrase to describe our situation here on earth. There is no "God's plan" or "God's will". There is only "your plan" and "my plan" and "our will". Only by relying on the power of the people, and having faith in each other, can we continue to make this world a safer and more peaceful place for us all.  - banana

 Oh boy banana, God is gonna toss you in the hottest corner of hell for this kind of crazy talk. Or maybe God will be humming a tune in his kitchen while you sputter and sizzle nicely, like a fat, greazy chorizo in the RED HOT skillet God reserves for blasphemers  

[Syzygyone]

Originally posted by Gunthr
MT, you are the Ayahtrolla of Aces High BB.

GAWD NO!
That's too close to saying he was right!


BUMPITY BUMP BUMPTY BUMP BUMP BUMP.

Here we go again!

[midnight Target]

Muaahahahahahahahah!!!!!

[Stang]

There was most certainly a collection of ancient works in a building in Alexandria after 47 BCE. The mosty likely reason for their disappearance is the overall rise in power of the various religious sects in Alexandria. Spiritualism won out over science and much was lost.

That much I definately agree w/ you on MT.  And it is great to finally see someone using specific historical references paraphrasing from actual authors of first or second hand sources

[AKcurly]

Originally posted by Vulcan
Well thats wierd, all the Buddhists I know don't do that. But they are all Asian (Chinese, Cambodian, Thai, Lao, Vietnamese). Where these Asian buddhists doing the pushing?

Vulcan you dumb butt, he's talking about Texas Buddahists.  Geez!

curly