So why not an HA?

[lazs]

I know the answer but... If we had an HA that ran all the time.... It could be where the "elite" "realism" guys met.  Those who are serious WWII simmers and not just dickin around having fun.

In a permenent HA the ebb and flow of WWII tech could be simulated and all the great features like no dar and no icons and lopsided plane sets and axis vs allied could be used.  

It would be a great place for the elite to meet and hide from each other for hours on end without having to listen to all the riff raff complaining about being bored.  

I personally think that seperate arenas never work because "people" go where the numbers are but the elite are not just "people" like us riff raff... surely, their dedication and patience could overcome such a trifling obstacle?   Think of the satisfaction of knowing that you were the real.. er, the real SIMULATED WWII pilots and that the riff raff were merely having a good time with no real purpose.  
lazs

[Dowding]

Why don't people show their interest in historical match-ups by actually attending historical scenarios?

Perhaps then the request for an HA would be taken seriously.

[Kieran]

As in the other thread, I concur with Dowding here. This can be done in the dueling arena to some extent now.

[MrSiD]

The scenarios will never gain a big popularity simply because nobody wants someone else deciding when to play or not.

Not to mention the hassle with different timezones.. I won't take part in any scenario that starts 4am my local time..

I think those are the biggest reasons.

[Soda]

I think if you have a HA you should also make it totally realistic:

1) you should be assigned a plane to fly based on your country of residence/birth
2) you should go to your doctor and take a physical.  Unhealthy people get to be gunners in tanks or meat bombs (depending on your size)
3) you should measure your body dimensions and see if you could fit in some of these planes, if you can't you're in a tank again.
4) you should get an eye test, 20/20 or better required... or you are in a tank again, this time as a loader.

Just kidding  

I never have heard the opposition to a HA stated, what is the reasoning against it?  I thought the events were supposed to somewhat take care of this area of the game.

-Soda

[Gadfly]

The HA in WB(sorry to mention it, but it is my only frame of reference), is usually empty.  Nothing surprising there.  But, when there is something going on, it is more fun than any MA I have flown in.  Realism is not so important as hitoricality, if that is a word.

Historical situations are fun to me, no matter what the level of environmental settings.  I do not think anyone would want the MA to go away and be replaced by an HA, but it a nice area to have access to.

I don't know why Laz doesn't like the idea of one, but that is the beauty of more than one arena, eh?

[MrSiD]

Gadfly: the HA in WB had its shortcomings, it was built much like the main, only with rps and harder difficulty settings.

When WW2 arena was introduced, it gained a popularity so big that it left the main arena empty. That should tell something.

[Wlfgng]

What Sid said.

[minus]

HA need some EXTRA bonus when the hard condition are more revardet like a  mega furbal in MA

[Gadfly]

Go here and read the results for all of the Target for Tonight setups.  Those are HA "events".  That should show that an HA would be used; just not 24/7.

 http://www.users.nwark.com/~rrosborn/wbparser/results/index.html

[Skybax]

24/7 HA Website.

For those interested & open minded.

[This message has been edited by Skybax (edited 05-11-2001).]

[Mr. T]

Setup an HA, add a scores page section for it.

Maybe that is why the HA is/was empty in WB... when I flew there it didn't have a scores section (but it was fun to fly in!)
-SW

[lazs]

"When WW2 arena was introduced, it gained a popularity so big that it left the main arena
                    empty. That should tell something."

yep... it tells me that folks go where the numbers are.   The WWII arena replaced the MA and once the people were there they couldn't get enough people to leave for the newly reopened MA.  What the WWII arena really did was chase a lot of guys into AH.   A point not lost on HT and co I'm sure.   even with a lower price, mac support, and a lot more planes modeled... WB is going down instead of up.  I never see people leave AH to go fly the cheaper WWII arena in WB.   I see people leaving WB because of the sameness and often lopsided WWII arena

I mean.... even the most brain ded eventually becomes bored with fighting the same ol 109/190  and both of their 2 acm's.
lazs

[Skybax]

"yep... it tells me that folks go where the numbers are."

Wrong.

The few times the WWII Arena went down, where did everybody go?

The MA? Nope.

At least 85% went to the HA.

Several people tryed a bunch of times to get a MA Night going. Total failure. Someone sets up an HA Night, 240 show up.

That tells me what folks want.

"I mean.... even the most brain ded eventually becomes bored with fighting the same ol 109/190 and both of their 2 acm's."

I hate to tell you this, but with a rolling plane set the entire plane set gets used in the WWIIA. I see all 60+ aircraft over a 3 week period of time. The HA gets used plenty, there are 3 sets of scenarios that are highly active & successful, and the special events never stop.

Do you know how many times I have read on this board guys bored of only seeing & using the same planes day in day out 24/7? Lots.

Nothing personal Lazs, but you are so quick to rule out any kind of system that might enhance the AH experence. Your views are not everyones.

Reading your posts is almost as if you cut & pasted them from your posts on AGW a year ago. The arguements you bring up now, are the EXACT ones you you spoke of a year ago. Some people like the old MA format like yourself, others don`t.

To each his own buddy. There are plenty of folks who really enjoy the different arenas over there, and I`m one of them.

I would like to see AH offer more options to it`s community and it`s potential customers.

"I never see people leave AH to go fly the cheaper WWII arena in WB. I see people leaving WB because of the sameness and often lopsided WWII arena"

Ya, that`s a real accurate statement.  

I see & personally know of many who leave BOTH sims because they are more interested in what the other one has to offer.

It`s a matter of personal preference.

Some people have different views and enjoy different things.

And I just don`t share or agree with yours.

[Gadfly]

Endless furballing is not boring, but the plethora of situations possible in a Historical environment is?

You crack me up sometimes, Laz.