Fighter vs Fighter stats - 10 days with no CHOG

[Nash]

G'bye beloved C-Hog.... Hello dawlin' Niki.

Better plane anyways...


enjoy.

[lazs]

Oh great... now we have two planes instead of 1 that double the kills of the next plane down... i guess that is diversity?   Seems double the kills is still double the kills no matter what plane.

Plus... nash in a nik.... now that's comforting.  

So.... let's perk the top three planes and even things up?   After that we can see what needs perked next tour.   Or maybe... we should perk until the 202 is used in an equal amount to the other planes?  
lazs

[brady]

  One point that has yet to touched on is that the C hog could get more kills per sortie than than the nearest competitor,and it could kill anything, GV or aircraft with relative easy using it's guns alone.This is something the George will never be able to do since it's cannons are useless against tanks and the Osty,The George is a better ftr but not a better all round killer so I doubt u will see the kinds of numbers the C hog was generating from the George or the Spit 9.


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[Ripsnort]

Deja, could you break down the percentage of flights those top two killers have?  After all, if the Spit or N1K rise above 20%, then they should be perked, since the reasoning for the Chog perking was just that.  Thks.

[Ripsnort]

Oh, Brady, come to the TA sometime, I will show you that a N1K or a SPit can kill a GV just fine.

[sling322]

Dammit Eskimo and Soullyss....keep it quiet about the 109-F4!!!

You're gonna get all the dweebs flyin' it and the ENY value is gonna drop and then I will have to find a new plane to rebuild my perkies with.  

****ANNOUNCEMENT****  ATTENTION ALL MA FLYERS!!!
Stay away from the 109-F4...it sucks...Eskimo and Soulyss are on crack and know not what they speak of.  

[AG Sachsenberg]

 

Originally posted by brady:
 One point that has yet to touched on is that the C hog could get more kills per sortie than than the nearest competitor,and it could kill anything, GV or aircraft with relative easy using it's guns alone.This is something the George will never be able to do since it's cannons are useless against tanks and the Osty,The George is a better ftr but not a better all round killer so I doubt u will see the kinds of numbers the C hog was generating from the George or the Spit 9.

What the hell are you doing up this early?  And aren't you suppose to be at work?

[Karnak]

Looks like the perking of the F4U-1C has had roughly the effect that was predicted by those who advocated its perking.  I did note the surprising effect of fewer F4U-1D missions being flown.  I wonder what is causing that?

Ripsnort,
Using the numbers in AKDejaVu's charts we find the following information:

N1K2-J has 14.7% of the kills.

Spitfire MkIX has 12.8% of the kills.

Neither aircraft is close to breaking 20 percent of the kills.

Further I noted that no aircraft has twice, or more than twice, the kills of the aircraft listed below it.

I think its kind of refreshing to have a non-American aircraft being the most popular, and a Japanese one at that.  True, it was easily predictable based on bast tours.

The projected kill total could be for several reasons.  The ones I think possible are:

1)Some players have quit, or reduced their playing time, due to the perking of the F4U-1C.

2)Players that were using the F4U-1C are still adjusting to other aircraft and thus not at normal efficiency.

3)AH v1.06 is getting stale and players are playing less.  This is something that we have seen each time a version has gotten to be a couple of months old.

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We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother

Bring the Mosquito FB.MkVI Series 2 to Aces High!!!

Sisu
-Karnak

[Mr. T]

 

Originally posted by Karnak:
Looks like the perking of the F4U-1C has had roughly the effect that was predicted by those who advocated its perking.  

Not to me, looks more like what I predicted... they'll just move onto the next aircraft that's percieved as the top dog.. or dogs.

Here we have a perfect example of that: More SpitIX and N1K2 usage.

I said it all along, perking the F4U-1C will just place more planes with percieved advantages in the air.

SpitIX and N1K2... remove those and I'll betcha either the P51, 109G10 or La7 would recieve more attention.

It's a viscious cycle, and will only end when we're all flying the same plane... kinda boring if you ask me. I liked the challenge of F4U-1Cs flying about... but whatever.
-SW

[Karnak]

SW,
I suggest you look at the stats again.

You were predicting that they'd all move to the next top fighter, the N1K2.

I agreed that the N1K2 would probably gain the most(it didn't), but I also said that substantial numbers would also be added to numerous other aircraft.

In order of gain:

Typhoon MkIb: 1827
P-51D: 1638
N1K2-J: 1409
Spitfire MkIX: 829
C.205: 569
P-47D-30: 282
Fw190F-8: 244
Bf109G-10: 170
Tempest MkV: 103

I am surprised that the F4U-1D and P-38L did not gain, but many others did.

Contrary to your claim they did not all simply move to the next aircraft.

If we use Tour 14 it is more lopsided, but still far from a unanimous movement:

N1K2-J: 2007
F6F-5: 745
C.205: 425
Typhoon MkIb: 365
Spitfire MkIX: 264
Yak-9U: 237
Bf109F-4: 148
A6M5b: 39

Projected Total: 4230
Projected Total, Less N1K2-J: 2223

Slightly less than 50% went to the N1K2-J using Tour 14 as our base.  I would still consider this a major success.  The Spitfire MkIX is 5th on this list, hardly representative of all of the movement going to the top two fighters.

You can call the results whatever you want, but I hardly think this shows what you say it does.

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We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother

Bring the Mosquito FB.MkVI Series 2 to Aces High!!!

Sisu
-Karnak

[Mr. T]

 

Originally posted by Karnak:
SW,
I suggest you look at the stats again.

I did, I wasn't looking at the projected kill stats or the difference between the two tours in order of usage... because that is projected. We are 11 days into this tour, you can't project anything based on this. It's a rough guesstimate at best.

When the end of the tour comes around, we'll see where it stands then.

But as of right now, the SpitIX and N1K2 are seeing the most usage. Followed by 1000kills is the P51D.
-SW

[Kieran]

Here's what the numbers don't show: the hue and cry moved immediately to a new aircraft to persecute.

Now if you truly are happy the 1C was perked soley because of the numbers, then you are right, the stats back you up. If you are one of the elitists doing victory jigs because a threat to your (collective "You") "superior ACM" has been eliminated, hang on, the ride's just beginning.

In the old days I might just have been on this bandwagon, but it seems so pathetic now. Some of the finest pilots in the game soiled their pants over the 1C issue, and a mid-range nothing like myself never had any trouble with them. Let's be pragmatic; while not everyone who was against the 1C have gloated, and there are many valid reasons to perk it,  many have picked the torch right up and moved on to the next plane. It will also be interesting to watch them side-step and defend their rides of choice- of course there is nothing overmodeled in those aircraft.

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[Mr. T]

I agree with Kieran 100%.
-SW

[Soda]

I think it had the desired effect, at least right now.  I see fewer C-Hogs and the ones I do see aren't playing stupid and performing suicide dives anymore.  I'm not surprised the D-Hog didn't pick up that many converts, only true Hog pilots would most likely convert over.  The others would look for the next best plane (at least in their minds the N1K) or something with 4 hispanos (Typhoon).

Overall though, it's refreshing in the MA these days.  <S> HTC.

-Soda

[Torgo]

You'll see quite a spike in F4U-1Ds when we go back to the Island terrain.

I see the posted stats as TOTAL AND COMPLETE VINDICATION of all of us who advocated perking the CHog. Contrary to the frankly silly argument made that ALL the lost CHog sorties would go to the Niki and thus the Niki would have to be perked, they ended up being spread among a wide variety of aircraft. Now, no one aircraft even remotely APPROACHES the % of arena kills the CHog did.

I've always found it incomprehensible that so many people have whined about the Niki being a super-UFO; in fact, prior to the perking of the CHog, it became trendy for people to claim the CHog sucked and that what they REALLY were afraid of was Nikis. (despite the fact the CHog K/D was ALWAYS far better than the Niki, and the Niki's K/D has ALWAYS been mediocre.)

Yet, with only slightly fewer total kills, the Spit IX has a BETTER K/D ratio than the supposed UFO Niki!