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Offline Halo

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Vapor Looks Like House on Fire
« on: July 09, 2003, 08:14:44 PM »
As a scientific neophyte, I remain puzzled by a phenomenon one cold winter night about 2 a.m. when a neighbor called the fire department to report my house was on fire because of what looked like smoke  billowing out of the entire roof.

My split level house has separate systems for central heating and cooling: hot water baseboard gas heating, and electric air conditioning.  The heat was on and, as I sometimes do, I had turned on the fan in the ac system (NOT the ac) for better air circulation as we slept.

I rushed around looking for fire, but found nothing.  No flame, no smoke, nothing.  By that time a fireman was knocking on my front door.

I went outside with the fire crew and looked up.  The entire roof seemed to be billowing smoke.  But apparently it was just vapor (?).  The house certainly looked on fire, even from a vantage point just outside the door.  

The firemen and I speculated that it apparently was some freak convergence of cold outside air and somehow warmer inside air escaping.  The vapor cloud seemed to be rising off the entire roof, not any particular part.  The attic has only one opening (always kept closed) to the downstairs.  Attic air is exchanged through soffit vents and a fan vent at one end (fan runs only when temp is above 80 degrees).  None of the house windows or doors was open.  

The billowing continued as we watched.  After awhile the fire crew left and I went back to bed.  We didn't see anything like that happening with other houses in the neighborhood.  

It happened long enough ago that I must admit I don't remember if at the time we postulated the ac fan as the cause or thought to turn it off.  Since then when the weather is cold and the inside heat is on, I've run the ac system fan only with some anxiety, but the vapor (?) phenomenon has not occurred again, at least to the point of alarming any neighbors enough to call the fire department.

Any of you ever have a similar experience?  Can any of you better explain exactly what happened and how it can be prevented from happening again?
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« Reply #1 on: July 09, 2003, 08:30:09 PM »
Weird.  If you can see it, it's not vapor anymore, it's actually airborne condensate.  Somehow very humid (and hence warm) air was getting into your attic and/or roof, escaping into the cold outside air, and condensing.  My first guess is that it had something to do with the hydronic heating system.  I'll run this by the guys at work and I'm sure we'll get you an answer.
Questions:  How cold was it?  And was there snow on the ground or recent snow or rainfall?  Where is the a/c supply fan located?
« Last Edit: July 09, 2003, 08:34:43 PM by funkedup »

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« Reply #2 on: July 09, 2003, 08:44:04 PM »
No snow, but below freezing I think (was a long time ago).  This is Northern Virginia which usually has moderate humidity year round.  

AC (including supply fan) and heat units are downstairs in utility room at se corner of house.

Gas hot water baseboard heat is, as you would expect, on floor by outside walls of rooms upstairs and downstairs.  

Lower level of house is only about three feet below surface in front and flush with ground at back.
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« Reply #3 on: July 09, 2003, 08:47:01 PM »
Cool, I'll print this out tomorrow at lunch and we'll have a group discussion.  :)
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« Reply #4 on: July 09, 2003, 09:01:22 PM »
See something similar here after a summer rain. The cooled wet roof will steam like crazy when the sun hits it.

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« Reply #5 on: July 09, 2003, 09:02:18 PM »
Yep that's what it made me think of first.  I remember in Illinois the streets used to "smoke" too.

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« Reply #6 on: July 09, 2003, 09:45:10 PM »
I think mt has it.  

your roof likely got warm enough from your heat to evaporate the water on the wet roof (or melt and evaporate ice if it was frozen), but the surounding air was cool enough to make it look like fog.

like he said the same thing happens (to a smaller effect) when a dark roof heats up in the sun and gets to a warmer temp then the surounding air.