Author Topic: Fans of the movie The Final Countdown.... (Read 1077 times)

funkedup · « **Reply #15 on:** July 11, 2003, 01:39:35 PM »

I don't think the IJN fleet could have got within striking range of the USN task force without being detected and destroyed.

davidpt40 · « **Reply #16 on:** July 11, 2003, 04:11:23 PM »

It would be hard for an F14 to get a gun solution on such a slow moving and tight turning aircraft like Zeros or Tenzans/Vals.

But I think that if the F14s used both missles and cannons, and the A-6s used cannons (not sure if cannon is organic on a6, but I think gun pods can be attached), the attack on Pearl could have be avoided.

Engine · « **Reply #17 on:** July 11, 2003, 04:14:44 PM »

Why not make supersonic passes on the jap planes, using the shockwave as a weapon? It'd certainly rip the fabric from cloth planes.

Sikboy · « **Reply #18 on:** July 11, 2003, 07:20:56 PM »

On the upside, now I know what to get my wife for her birthday.

-Sik

Sox62 · « **Reply #19 on:** July 12, 2003, 01:10:04 AM »

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Why not make supersonic passes on the jap planes, using the shockwave as a weapon? It'd certainly rip the fabric from cloth planes.

Yep-after expending missiles.

This is called "thumping",lol.

Leslie · « **Reply #20 on:** July 12, 2003, 04:19:45 AM »

The philosophical questions raised in this movie involve whether it would be copesetic to engage the Japanese while "out of time." At last the Captain agreed to do so...the reason being the USS Nimitz was a US naval ship, whose job it was to protect the US. The return of the storm rendered the situation moot; the Tomcats and A-6's returned to the carrier.

Seems like the Capt. did so reluctantly though due to the idea of what could happen if the time continuem was distorted somehow. It boggles the mind to think about these things, and that is why this is such a good movie.

This is meant as an example to illustrate a time continuem distortion, though it's probably not a very good one, and is only presented as a possible example:

The Japanese attack fails and one particular US soldier is not killed. This US soldier is married and has a child. Soldier returns to US after the war and the child grows up under the guidence of the father to become a successful lawyer, businessman, etc... Suppose the father had been killed during the Japanese attack, and the mother re-married and the child somehow became involved with carrier design as a naval architect under his step father's guidence. One of his designs was the USS Nimitz.

If the former situation was the case, with the Nimitz stopping the attack, it could be that the Nimitz would never have been built, and the Nimitz, along with the Japanese fleet, would have gone into oblivion.

It presents quite a conundrum.

Les

Engine · « **Reply #21 on:** July 12, 2003, 06:07:32 AM »

Unless, like me, you tend to believe time travel cannot alter history. If you go back, you've already gone back and always will go back.

Leslie · « **Reply #22 on:** July 12, 2003, 06:54:19 AM »

There are several theories concerning time travel. The one I find most feasible is where a spacecraft circles the Universe and returns to the future, possibly billions of years, where our planet is no longer here. Of course, it would require a spacecraft capable of great speed, and the human travelers would have to be in suspended animation for the journey. Theoretically, the time passed by the space craft occupants would be around 40 years...to travel billions of years into the future.

Les

DiabloTX · « **Reply #23 on:** July 12, 2003, 02:16:08 PM »

My thinking is that the Capt. of the USS Nimitz should have realised that there is no state of war existing between the US and Japan. Therefore, to me, with the fore-knowledge of the Japanese attack, as the Capt. I would have done one of these two actions:

1. Gather a sizable force of F-14s, say, 16 or so. Have them launch and form up doing a NOE approach to the Jap fleet and right before visual contact have them go supersonic and let the sonic booms act as a deterence. Given the Japanese propensity for the supernatural, they would have literally crapped in their pants. Also, have a couple of F-14's fly by a little slow so there is no mistaking the stars and bars on the wings. Given enough time I would have the national insignias painted larger on the wings as to not be mistaken by anything else.

And, secondly, not as cool or as menacing but probably more logical-

2. Have the historian conact the Japanese fleet and tell them the US knows about the force and give the Japanese a list of the ships in their attack force and the number of aircraft planned on being used in the attack. That would have really shaken up the Japanese.

This way no shots are fired, no one gets hurt, and the attack on Pearl is avoided while the Capt. of the Nimitz performs his duty to the letter of the law.

Gadfly · « **Reply #24 on:** July 12, 2003, 03:03:32 PM »

It's more fun to blow watermelon up.

hazed- · « **Reply #25 on:** July 12, 2003, 04:36:14 PM »

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Originally posted by Sikboy
On the upside, now I know what to get my wife for her birthday.

-Sik

lol at last the voice of reason

this film was CRAP! there wasnt any action whatsoever!

They should have just kicked off and destroyed everything. Screw the time paradox crap.hell if i was kirk i would have told spock to use his nerve pinch on yamoto..DOH thats the wrong kirk isnt it?

Otto · « **Reply #26 on:** July 12, 2003, 05:43:45 PM »

They are called a 'Fables'. Just suspend belief and enjoy the story.

LePaul · « **Reply #27 on:** July 12, 2003, 07:07:11 PM »

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They are called a 'Fables'. Just suspend belief and enjoy the story.

My dad was an Air National Guard Liason to the Pentagon, a Lt Col, when I was in High School. I never heard him say "bull sh-t" so many times as he did when we watched "Iron Eagle".

Shush Dad, enjoy the movie...give Mom the remote

hyena426 · « **Reply #28 on:** July 12, 2003, 07:47:24 PM »

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If a Nimitz class CV somehow arrived in the vicinity of Pearl around December 7th... (transported from a routine patrol) ... could it have stopped the attack?

i think it could have ,,,with 80 jets and plenty of coppers and hawkeyes,,,plus the anti air the new cvs have,,they say they can allmost shoot down a 9mm pistol bullet with them vulcan cannons {r2d2s} guns,,watching them go off was amazing,,im sure with its computer guided guns ,,missles and modern jets for cap,,it would be untouchable,,,the radar would pick up bombers before they even got close,,missles would knock out most of the attackers,,and what ever got threw would have to deal with f14s and vulcan computer guided guns,,and very heavy deck armor,,,i think the nimits would have the upper hand

Mathman · « **Reply #29 on:** July 12, 2003, 09:16:35 PM »

The whole reason for that maovie is quite simple. Martin Sheen was only placed on the ship so that he could get the dog for James Farentino and Katherine Ross.