Author Topic: France to Blame for State of Union Debacle!  (Read 649 times)

Offline Syzygyone

  • Silver Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 975
France to Blame for State of Union Debacle!
« on: July 14, 2003, 12:57:17 PM »
This just in:
England Blames France for US State of Union Intelligence Problem!

French Treachery
By Michael Smith
The London Daily Telegraph | July 14, 2003


The French secret service is believed to have refused to allow MI6 to give the Americans "credible" intelligence showing that Iraq was trying to buy uranium ore from Niger, US intelligence sources said yesterday.

MI6 had more than one "different and credible" piece of intelligence to show that Iraq was attempting to buy the ore, known as yellowcake, British officials insisted.  But it was given to them by at least one and possibly two intelligence services and, under the rules governing cooperation, it could not be shared with anyone else without the originator's permission.

US intelligence sources believe that the most likely source of the MI6 intelligence was the French secret service, the DGSE.  Niger is a former French colony and its uranium mines are run by a French company that comes under the control of the French Atomic Energy Commission.

A further factor in the refusal to hand over the information might have been concern that the US administration's willingness to publicise intelligence might lead to sources being inadvertently disclosed.

US sources also point out that the French government was vehemently opposed to the war with Iraq and so suggest that it would have been instinctively against the idea of passing on the intelligence.

British sources yesterday dismissed suggestions of a row between MI6 and the CIA on the issue.  However, they admitted being surprised that George Tenet, the CIA director, had apologised to President George W Bush for allowing him to cite the British government and its claim that Saddam had sought to acquire uranium from Africa in his State of the Union speech last October.
The apology follows the International Atomic Energy Authority's dismissal of documents given to it by the CIA, which purported to prove the link, as fakes.

Those documents have been widely identified with last September's British dossier on Iraqi weapons of mass destruction, which said Saddam Hussein was trying to buy uranium ore from an unnamed country in Africa.

British officials admitted that the country was Niger but insisted that the intelligence behind it was genuine and had nothing to do with the fake documents.  It was convincing and they were sticking with it, the officials said.

They dismissed a report from a former US diplomat who was sent to Niger to investigate the claims and rejected them.  "He seems to have asked a few people if it was true and when they said 'no' he accepted it all," one official said.  "We see no reason at all to change our assessment."

The fake documents were not behind that assessment and were not seen by MI6 until after they were denounced by the IAEA.  If MI6 had seen them earlier, it would have immediately advised the Americans that they were fakes.

There had been a number of reports in America in particular suggesting that the fake documents - which came from another intelligence source - were passed on via MI6, the officials said.  But this was not true.

"What they can't accuse MI6 of doing is passing anything on this to the CIA because it didn't have the fake documents and it was not allowed to pass on the intelligence it did have to anyone else."

Michael Smith's new book The Spying Game, which examines the intelligence behind the September dossier, is published by Politico's.
« Last Edit: July 14, 2003, 01:16:46 PM by Syzygyone »

Offline SLO

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2548
France to Blame for State of Union Debacle!
« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2003, 02:17:42 PM »
sure blame the others for your own chit:D


americans say its the Brits fault....Brits say its the French.


blablabla so on an so forth.....get a life syz:cool:

Offline Syzygyone

  • Silver Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 975
France to Blame for State of Union Debacle!
« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2003, 02:24:08 PM »
Quote
Originally posted by SLO
sure blame the others for your own chit:D


americans say its the Brits fault....Brits say its the French.


blablabla so on an so forth.....get a life syz:cool:


Slo!
You Canuckian dude you!
Why you mad at me?
I am just passing on info reported in non-U.S. papers is all.

But you are right about one thing.  I do need to get a life.  Mayhaps I'll take fishing trip and get some of that cheap Canuckian liquor!:D :D


Hey, serious quesiton, where is Arcadia?

Offline SLO

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2548
France to Blame for State of Union Debacle!
« Reply #3 on: July 14, 2003, 02:32:39 PM »
lol....

not mad bud....takin things easy man(another exam Wednesday).

was funny cause just before I came to this POST I was outside talkin about that 'we made a mistake' thing(CIA Dir. sayin he's to blame blabla) thingie

and I just told my friend...they'll blame the French...lol

then I start reading this :D

no clue to arcadia....

and its only westerners that are considered 'CANUCKS'.....not we in the east:D ....I'm French:p

Offline _Schadenfreude_

  • Parolee
  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2036
France to Blame for State of Union Debacle!
« Reply #4 on: July 14, 2003, 02:37:45 PM »
There was a debacle during the State of the Union????

Offline SFRT - Frenchy

  • Platinum Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 5420
      • http://home.CFL.rr.com/rauns/menu.htm
France to Blame for State of Union Debacle!
« Reply #5 on: July 14, 2003, 02:51:10 PM »
ROFL, this is awsome! Do I understand it right?

What did France did? Providing false Intel to the British so USA/GB could go to war?
Dat jugs bro.

Terror flieger since 1941.
------------------------

Offline Syzygyone

  • Silver Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 975
To sum it up
« Reply #6 on: July 14, 2003, 02:54:03 PM »
Apparently France had intel, other than a forged document, that suggested Iraq had contacted Niger to buy yellowcake.  France apparently refused to tell the Brits about the additional evidence but, when pushed, told the Brits about it but refuse to allow it to be divulged to the U.S.

If this weren't so damn funny, it'd be pathetic.  But, again, it calls into question French motivations in the whle Iraq thingie, doesn't it.

Oh well, it has ever been thus I suspect!

Offline straffo

  • Persona Non Grata
  • Plutonium Member
  • *******
  • Posts: 10029
France to Blame for State of Union Debacle!
« Reply #7 on: July 14, 2003, 02:54:23 PM »
Yep Frenchy and now they point their little finger to the DGSE saying :"they provided us fake/bogus informations"

Moronic ... extremly moronic...

Offline SLO

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2548
France to Blame for State of Union Debacle!
« Reply #8 on: July 14, 2003, 04:28:12 PM »
like as if the americans SHARE all there intel with the french....gimme a break:rolleyes:

Offline Syzygyone

  • Silver Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 975
France to Blame for State of Union Debacle!
« Reply #9 on: July 14, 2003, 04:55:34 PM »
Quote
Originally posted by SLO
like as if the americans SHARE all there intel with the french....gimme a break:rolleyes:


Like I said, if it weren't so damn funny, it'd be pathetic.
Heck, the current wisdom, at least since 9/11 is that our problem is the CIA doesn't share its intel with anyone, even other U.S. intel services.

Offline bounder

  • Nickel Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 720
      • http://www.332viking.com
France to Blame for State of Union Debacle!
« Reply #10 on: July 14, 2003, 05:23:57 PM »
when the allies start bickering amongst themselves, and variously hanging each other out to dry, then you know this whole stripey jumper of lies and wishful thinking is going to start to unravel......

Offline SLO

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2548
France to Blame for State of Union Debacle!
« Reply #11 on: July 15, 2003, 08:22:51 AM »
Quote
Originally posted by Syzygyone
Like I said, if it weren't so damn funny, it'd be pathetic.
Heck, the current wisdom, at least since 9/11 is that our problem is the CIA doesn't share its intel with anyone, even other U.S. intel services.


gonna hate myself for this.....

but man...you are truly a wise man syz:D

when did you get so smart fella....:p

Offline mjolnir

  • Nickel Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 506
France to Blame for State of Union Debacle!
« Reply #12 on: July 15, 2003, 09:47:33 AM »
Quote
Originally posted by Syzygyone
Hey, serious quesiton, where is Arcadia?


If you meant Acadia National Park, it's in Bar Harbor, Maine.

Offline GrimCO

  • Nickel Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 721
      • http://www.GrimsReapers.com
France to Blame for State of Union Debacle!
« Reply #13 on: July 15, 2003, 09:54:27 AM »
Hey SLO,

I'm trying to figure out a way to blame it on the Canadians  :-)

Offline Torque

  • Gold Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2091
France to Blame for State of Union Debacle!
« Reply #14 on: July 15, 2003, 12:08:59 PM »
Quote
Originally posted by SLO
gonna hate myself for this.....

but man...you are truly a wise man syz:D

when did you get so smart fella....:p


Want a larf ask him about the White House. ;P

SLO you live in what once was Acadia.

Cajuns are just Acadians that got the boot from the British in 1756.