Can you answer this question?

[straffo]

 

Originally posted by MANDOBLE:
straffo, UFO relative to 190 or 109. That is, they loose very little E performing maneouvers that kill all the E with 190s or 109s.

That's way I perform so poorly with a 109   ... the 190 was my dream plane but since I'm now in love with the beast (the tiffy if ya prefer   )I don't fly it much (once per tour on average)

 

In the case of Typh, it can build up speed at level even faster than G10 and loose very little E maneouvering even in the vertical. We can put an example with a very good climber, the G10. G10 will outclimb the typh in a substained climb, but will be defeated if starts maneouvering in the vertical with the typh. In the case of 190, the typh will not only outacelerate, outturn and outzoom all of them, it is able to roll with them also. All this is applicable mainly at lo and med alts.

I've never been able to follow a rolling 190 ... except at low speed (<200) where quick rudder input can make the difference (no Andres it's not stick stiring  )
And to build speed I need to unload the plane (a 0G dive),I strongly doubt that in level I'm able to outrun a D9 but I can outzoom it (in general).

Btw I'm still a newbie for E management and ACM ... you seen it several times previously  

[Vulcan]

LOL Mandoble you must be flying a different tiffie to me mate!

On the deck a g10 always outaccelerates me.

I cannot roll with a 190 (requires lotsa heavy e-burning rudder).

In a straight out chase any manouvring bleeds E (ie P51 chasin will catch if you turn at all).

Dora catches tiffie on the deck easily too. Although a tiffie can outturn the dora when the speed drops and you're low.

E-Bleeds on the tiffie like pig. A good tiffie pilot uses a very VERY gentle hand. Anything to hard and your dead meat, specially in a crowd.

[MANDOBLE]

Vulcan, some remarks:

The g10 outaccelerates tif only starting both at very low speeds and with no alt room for the tiffie. At med or hi speeds and going a bit nose down the tiffi will win the acceleration race (lo alt).

Tiff can roll with 190A5/8 using that "e-burning" rudder, but the E lost by the 190 in the rolling scissors (using only elevator and ailerons) is greater than the lost by the Tiff adding rudder plus pulling (elevator, ailerons and rudder). The tiff quickly compensates the roll difference after two rolls. And most important, due the tiff armament, it can stay far from the 190 (500 yards or more), so, compensating even more the 190 rolls.

And yep, the tiff bleeds E (logically), but much less than any 190 or 109. Try one of these and you'll be horrified.

Dora can catch a tiffie only with a little alt advantage, else the run would be ethernaly long.

[Vulcan]

Sorry mandoble, I disagree. I have tried the G-10 and Dora.

I have also fought (and been killed by) a lot of them and know what they can do.

I do agree the dora guns are porked though.