Author Topic: U.S. domestic problems vs 3rd world (Read 978 times)

davidpt40 · « **on:** July 15, 2003, 03:24:03 AM »

I think ole'man bush is getting a bit confused. Iraq and Liberia have lots of problems : Guerilla warfare, lack of food water and medicine, brutal regimes, poverty, etc etc.

But what about the U.S.A.? We have some problems ourselves. Over 1 million prisoners, more than any other nation in the world. Obesity hovering at 30%. The U.S. ranks low in public education. Factories are packing up and moving overseas. Many states are having massive budget problems.

Invading Afghanistan was necessary
Invading Iraq was a probably good preventitive measure
Liberia..who knows
Then what?

Spending alot of money here. I would like to see some cool stuff in return. Maybe a space shuttle replacement, or some kind of training program for prisoners, or better schools. I do believe its time to 'turtle up' and get ahead in technology/domestics. Wars are cool and all but I would like to be able to vacation on the moon one day.

Frogm4n · « **Reply #1 on:** July 15, 2003, 03:29:47 AM »

dont worry we wont go into liberia. we are just sending a couple guys to make it look like we give a damn, but we dont.

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #2 on:** July 15, 2003, 03:58:30 AM »

America is in much better economic shape than Europe or Japan - as "bad" as things are in the global economy were doing quite well by all econmic indicators. The factories are moving overseas because it makes economic sense and in the long run its better for everyone. Think of it this way, why arent you lamenting the loss of lets say oh 90% of US farming jobs that simply vanished since 1900? Those people eventually found better and more productive things to do as the farming industry evolved with new technologies and more people were needed in the manufacturing sector. In the past three decades the US economy has been shifting from a goods manufacturing emphasis to a service and intellect economy. You bring up an intersting concept about poor US schools, while basic education up through highschool is obviously lacking in comparsion to others this ignores America's real educational superiority. We have by far the best Universities and colleges both as traditional four year schools and the "JC/community college" system of two year schools. They draw out and train the best american students as well as many of the brightest foreigners. America still kicks ass. The state budget shortfalls are because they spent too much money on account of projected tax revenues that never materialized due to the econimic slowdown since 2000.

The moon landings were only ever faked

because of the cold war with the russians so dont get too carried away.

BTW lets all cheer up here, specially frogman, we gotta remember all that stolen iraqi oil that will give a boost to our economy..

Frogm4n · « **Reply #3 on:** July 15, 2003, 11:47:39 AM »

Grun is right. our economy is much better then japans right now and slightly better then europes. And the only reason why the dollar is doing so crappy right now is because of this currect administrations Supply Side economic theorys they are trying to put in place. And the Massive unemployeement is caused by them, and greenspans Moneterist policys.

As soon as we get some real economists back in charge things should shape up again pretty quick.

ra · « **Reply #4 on:** July 15, 2003, 11:51:55 AM »

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Originally posted by Frogm4n
As soon as we get some real economists back in charge things should shape up again pretty quick.

Back in charge? Greenspan's been there since 1804.

miko2d · « **Reply #5 on:** July 15, 2003, 12:00:21 PM »

Frogm4n: our economy is much better then japans right now...

That may be true. Or not. How do you measure it?

miko

LePaul · « **Reply #6 on:** July 15, 2003, 12:49:05 PM »

Yea I wondered a few of those points too. I largely approve of what Bush has done...but really do not get why we are handing out so much $$ to help other countries when local states are running huge deficits, etc....the long and short of it being we could use some of that help back here at home.

Its admirable we try to help others out, sometimes it works....but it would be cool if the local folks back at home made the top of the priority list

medicboy · « **Reply #7 on:** July 15, 2003, 12:56:42 PM »

What domestic problems? The way I see it, all these fat people.... What the heck is the gov supposed to do about it? That is their fault for being lazy and not eating right, period, no one else to blame but them selves. Education, again that is the students problem. The best education in the world is available but kids these days are too lazy to seek it out, most likely a byproduct of there fat lazy parents who have set all the wrong examples. This isn't the matrix where you can get any education you want just zapped into your head, it takes work. Something kids these days don't know how to do. Economy? No problem, I have a job, with no danger of losing it. I look at the want ads and there are hundreds of ads for jobs every week and that is just in my town! So what is the problem? Again this is the problem of those who are out of work.

I see it everyday at work. People are born into families that are 2nd and 3rd generation welfare, they don't know any other way. And why should they. We give them all you could ever want. Free housing, free food, free beer and drug money, free health care. Well its free to them, us tax payers are the ones who pay for it. We have taken darwins theory and tossed it out the window and are saving people who shouldn't be saved. They are the cause for the "bad" economy, the fat people and the bad education.

Rant off, sorry

rc51 · « **Reply #8 on:** July 15, 2003, 01:03:17 PM »

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Originally posted by LePaul
Yea I wondered a few of those points too. I largely approve of what Bush has done...but really do not get why we are handing out so much $$ to help other countries when local states are running huge deficits, etc....the long and short of it being we could use some of that help back here at home.

Its admirable we try to help others out, sometimes it works....but it would be cool if the local folks back at home made the top of the priority list

Right on BRO.
Let's take care of the USA for awhile.

rc51 · « **Reply #9 on:** July 15, 2003, 01:06:07 PM »

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Originally posted by medicboy

I see it everyday at work. People are born into families that are 2nd and 3rd generation welfare, they don't know any other way. And why should they. We give them all you could ever want. Free housing, free food, free beer and drug money, free health care. Well its free to them, us tax payers are the ones who pay for it. We have taken darwins theory and tossed it out the window and are saving people who shouldn't be saved. They are the cause for the "bad" economy, the fat people and the bad education.

Rant off, sorry

Easy fix do away with welfare!!!
You no workie you no eat!

Saurdaukar · « **Reply #10 on:** July 15, 2003, 01:06:42 PM »

I concur - how are lazy/fat people or slacking students the governments problem?

I suppose if you want to point a finger, you could blame the government for always making sure we have more food than we need and handing out grants to promising students to help them pay for higher education.

Horrible times we live in, indeed.

Ripsnort · « **Reply #11 on:** July 15, 2003, 01:07:42 PM »

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Originally posted by miko2d
Frogm4n: our economy is much better then japans right now...

That may be true. Or not. How do you measure it?

miko

Don't ask him to put up facts and data! Why, he gets his facts from the 5 min. he spends watching CNN!

On a side note,consumer spending is up .50 %, and if you took Car sales out of that figure, it'd be more like .70 % . This is one of the good signs.

medicboy · « **Reply #12 on:** July 15, 2003, 01:12:03 PM »

Thats just my point, if we keep bailing people out they will just keep getting into trouble. We need to let the problems of society just wither on the vine, it will be rough for a while but most will break down and get a job, those that don't.... Well that won't be our problem anymore.

Example: Last night the station I supervise got a call to a nearby town (30 miles away) at 0130 hrs for a man with a cat scratch on his hand! Pulled up to the house to see a new kia car in the driveway. When asked why he needed an ambulance he stated he couldn't afford the gas to drive to the hospital 45 miles away. So we asked him if he couldn't afford about $2 in gas how was he going to afford a $2000 ambulance ride because insurance sure as hell wasnt going to pay for it, his reply was I have medi-cal (california's medicade), its all covered isn't it?

Your tax dollars at work ladies and gentelmen!

Saurdaukar · « **Reply #13 on:** July 15, 2003, 01:14:22 PM »

That must have been some cat.

miko2d · « **Reply #14 on:** July 15, 2003, 01:30:38 PM »

medicboy: What domestic problems? The way I see it, all these fat people.... What the heck is the gov supposed to do about it?

There is quite a lot that the gov can do - or rather stop doing - to help the situation.

It could stop guaranteeing everyone healthcare once they screw themselves up by the unhealthy lifestyle.

It could stop using government autority through FDA and Dept of agriculture to promote the use and reassure the safety of questionable or outright harmfull products like hormone-pumped meat, soy, homogenised/pasteurised diary products, etc. and let people think and decide for themselves.

It should stop issuing inane suggestion about high-carb diets - or any suggestons at all for that matter.

That is their fault for being lazy and not eating right, period, no one else to blame but them selves.

It may arguably be our fault for being lazy but it is hardly our fault that 50% of black girls and 15% percent of white girls develop sexually at the age of eight - and 3% of black girls, and 1% of white girls, show signs of sexual development as early as the age of three.
How about 5%-20% of young boys diagnosed with ADD/ADHD and treated with Ritalin? You can hardly call them lazy and they are usually not fat yet.

The phyto-estrogens and other bioligically disruptive substances in soy (including over-promoted baby formula), endocrine-disrupting approved chemicals of all kinds and hormones in food have nothing to do with that... Right.

miko