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Offline JBA

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« on: July 18, 2003, 12:10:44 PM »
http://www.investors.com/editorial/issues.asp?v=7/18
Moving Ahead
INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY

Economy: It's official: The U.S. is no longer in a recession. It ended way back in November 2001 — 20 months ago, by our count. Time to move forward.
To listen to some critics, you'd think the U.S. was still deeply mired in a slump. In fact, as the data clearly show, the economy began to slip back in mid-2000. And the recession, which began March 2001, lasted just eight months.
We hate to toot our own horn, but in October 2001, just a month before the economy emerged from recession, our monthly IBD/TIPP Economic Optimism Index told you so.
Our data shocked some — and elicited comments of disbelief from others. The index showed that, just one month after the Sept. 11 attack, Americans' optimism in the economy had soared.
Why? Amid the gloom and shock of the post-9-11 period, average Americans knew something the media didn't: that out of the death and uncertainty of the terror attack, a stronger, better America would emerge.
And that's just what's happened. Americans have rolled up their sleeves, struggled through the tough times and are now getting the economy going again through hard work and big dreams they refuse to let die.
But they've had some help.
As the chart shows, President Bush inherited a weaker-than-normal economy.



His first round of tax cuts, which not coincidentally went into effect in 2001's fourth quarter, pulled the economy out of its tailspin. Congress' second round of tax cuts this year are now kicking the economy into high gear.
Let's also give the Federal Reserve its due. Once it understood its huge mistake in jacking up interest rates back in 1999 and 2000, it got religion in early 2001 and slashed rates 12 times to 45-year lows.
So where does that leave us now? Despite the gloom and doom of those who, for political reasons, are talking down the economy's growth prospects, things look pretty good.
Yes, the recession is over. The stock market is again rising. Housing remains solid. Consumer optimism has turned bullish again. Retail sales are growing. Inflation's dead. Productivity is surging — a source of future gains in our standard of living.
As for jobs, the perennial weak spot in recent recoveries, we must admit there's some shakiness there. Still, even as the number of payroll jobs is shrinking, the economically sensitive household jobs survey shows growth — 251,000 jobs last month alone. And that's the job barometer that's the first to turn in a recovery.
We also see signs of life in the rise of a key jobs indicator put out by the National Federation of Independent Business — the group that represents the nation's small businesses. Remember: Small business, not the Fortune 500, creates virtually all new jobs in America.
Like others, we have worries — and see big challenges ahead. But we may be on the cusp of a new era of growth. And that's exciting.
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« Reply #1 on: July 18, 2003, 12:13:45 PM »
Yep.  We recovered in 9 months, pretty impressive considering 9/11 and all the other crap.  Now balance the budget, Chimpy!  Time to start slashing.
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« Reply #2 on: July 18, 2003, 12:44:28 PM »
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Yep.  We recovered in 9 months, pretty impressive considering 9/11 and all the other crap.  Now balance the budget, Chimpy!  Time to start slashing.


Let's start with the foreign aid...no money for Israel or others...no, not isolationism....but lets stop being the Visa Card for the world.

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« Reply #3 on: July 18, 2003, 01:57:59 PM »
Actually we're just the MasterCard, Japan is the Visa card.
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« Reply #4 on: July 18, 2003, 02:02:58 PM »
dosnt point out the fact that we are now in a period of stagnation. That is what economists fear more.


according to greenspan the economy was going down and he had it lined up for a soft landing till chimpy gave the top 20 percentile massive tax cuts.

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« Reply #5 on: July 18, 2003, 02:08:02 PM »
How dare those miserable buggers keep more of their own money.

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« Reply #6 on: July 18, 2003, 02:10:45 PM »
Yeah if only the government had taken away more money from the people, the people would be much better off economically.

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« Reply #7 on: July 18, 2003, 02:16:25 PM »
listen i think tax cuts are good as well. but we should first give the largest tax cuts to the people that need it and will spend it. the middle class. sorry if i care about people that cant afford their car payments.
SOrry your right we should first give all the tax cuts to the people with 3 cars in every garage and already have everything they need that sure sounds like the right thing to do to me. They didnt accumulate their wealth by using any governement help like roads police or military protection so they should have the least amount of taxes.

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« Reply #8 on: July 18, 2003, 02:29:47 PM »
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dosnt point out the fact that we are now in a period of stagnation. That is what economists fear more.


according to greenspan the economy was going down and he had it lined up for a soft landing till chimpy gave the top 20 percentile massive tax cuts.


You of course know that the top 20 percentile pay 82 percent of all the income taxs. The bottom 20 percent pay none. So tell me how do you lower taxs for someone who pays none.

lets see 5 % less from 0 is ... oh crap cant give them a break oh well guess we should just give them money ... what we already do... crap give them more then:rolleyes:

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« Reply #9 on: July 18, 2003, 02:30:57 PM »
"From each according to their means, to each according to their needs"    

I remember hearing that somewhere before..

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« Reply #10 on: July 18, 2003, 02:34:13 PM »
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They didnt accumulate their wealth by using any governement help like roads police or military protection so they should have the least amount of taxes.


Again, you've got the cart before the horse.  The government wouldn't have any money to pay for roads or police or military without people out there busting their tulips at work.  And you suggest that we penalize the group which contributes most, both in terms of the value of their work and the amount of tax revenue they provide to Big Brother.

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« Reply #11 on: July 18, 2003, 08:51:11 PM »
No Funked, he just wants to take money from productive people and give it to unproductive ones, because the productive people make the unproductive people feel bad because they cant buy all  the neato stuff productive people can. You see they are hurting other people's feelings and so they must be punished...

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« Reply #12 on: July 18, 2003, 09:58:28 PM »
I believe Frogman said "the middle class".

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« Reply #13 on: July 21, 2003, 08:52:55 AM »
On October 24 of last year the Joint Economic Committee released the latest IRS data for 2000. Here’s the table:
> Top 1%: Adjusted Gross Income of more than $313,469 pays 37.42 percent of all income tax collected
> Top 5%: $128,336 pays 56.47 percent
> Top 10%: $92,144, pays 67.33 percent
> Top 25%: $55,225 pays 84.01 percent
> Top 50%: $27,682, pays 96.09 percent
> Bottom 50%: less than $27,682 pays a mere 3.91 percent
For the press release with those numbers: http://www.house.gov/jec/press/2002/10-24-02.htm
For six pages of detailed IRS tables, in PDF format: http://www.house.gov/jec/press/2002/irs2.pdf

SO WHO SHOULD GET THE TAX CUTS?
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« Reply #14 on: July 21, 2003, 08:59:35 AM »
I usually judge the economy buy the real estate market. Usually when the economy is bad, the prices of homes drops. The avg price of a single family home in Ma. is now over 300k. I just don't see the bad economy, but I am not well educated on the subject.
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