F14=Ensign Eliminator

[Sikboy]

I remember that Crash in 1996. I remember allegations in the news that he was showing off for his parents (although I can't seem to find them on the web) but the Navy's official version is that he became dissoriented in the clouds.

http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/news/navnews/nns96/nns-spcl.txt

-Sik

[LePaul]

WASHINGTON (NNS) -- The Navy announced today that pilot
error was the cause of the F-14 accident in Nashville, Tenn.,
Jan. 29 which killed five people.  Pilot LCDR Stacy Bates of
Chattanooga, Tenn., and radar intercept officer LT Graham
Alden Higgins of Dover-Foxcroft, Maine, died in the crash,
which also killed Mr. Elmer Newsom and his wife, Ada Newsom,
and Mr. Ewing T. Wair, who were in the Newsom home, which was
destroyed by the aircraft.
     After ten weeks of careful research, analysis and
deliberation, investigators found that the the aircraft had
taken off in an extreme nose-up altitude into an overcast
cloud layer of 2,300 feet and reached 4,600 feet before
rapidly descending down through the clouds.  The report
concludes that the pilot was unable to recover, and the
fighter crashed into a neighborhood south of the Nashville
airport.  According to the investigation, neither crewmember
attempted to eject from the aircraft.

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Yup, that's the one...wow...the RIO was from around here (30 miles from me)

Sad, especially for the people on the ground who died

[AKS\/\/ulfe]

Originally posted by Fishu
But if one engine flames out, this close proximity might not be good if there isnt sufficient firewalls and systems...

Why do you need a firewall for a jet engine flame out?
-SW

[Puke]

That is actually one of the few things that movie got right...apparently the canopy tends to "hang" around the airframe due to aero forces, and the backseat usually hits it on the way out. Several RIO's have been lost this way IRL.

Aerodynamic forces which kep the canopy above the cockpits?  Wrong.  
At least up until the early 90's, no pilot or RIO had been killed in this manner.  Unless the aircraft is dropping straight down without any spin or forward momentum, the chance of hitting the canopy is minimal.
Basically, in the movie Topgun, they wanted a way to kill off that character and they came up with this.  The yaw due to one engine out isn't as bad as everyone thinks ever since the movie Topgun.  
I would think the SU-27 is more succeptible to adverse yaw due to engine out.

[udet]

Originally posted by Smut
That is actually one of the few things that movie got right...apparently the canopy tends to "hang" around the airframe due to aero forces, and the backseat usually hits it on the way out. Several RIO's have been lost this way IRL.

The old TF-30 engine in the F-14A had it's share of problems, but the F110 engine in the B and D models has also had problems resulting in lost airframes and crew. Stuff happens.

Lepaul, my memory of that TN mishap is the same as yours. I'm going on travel in a few hours, so I don't have time to look it up to be sure.

-Smut

sucks to be a RIO..you don't get to fly the plane and still, you're more at risk.

[Hangtime]

The F-14's saftey record is well within normal paramaters for a high performance fighter.. and is exemplary among carrier based types.

It certainly does NOT have a reputation among it's pilots as a 'bad' airplane.. in fact quite the opposite is the case.

[Dnil]

now the Harrier on the other hand......

[Ack-Ack]

Originally posted by davidpt40


(3)  Nashville Tn.  F14 pilot takes off and does a few maneuver because his parents are watching.  Engine stalls and both pilot/rio are killed.

That was pilot error and not a malfunction of the aircraft.  According to the Navy's investigation report, the crash in Nashville was caused when the pilot lost control of the aircraft because of vertigo experienced as a result of an unrestricted climb into the clouds.  There was no mechanical malfuntion found with the F-14A or its TF30 engines.



Ack-Ack