Author Topic: does the spit14 honestly need to be perked? (Read 1819 times)

Citabria · « **on:** July 21, 2003, 05:59:58 AM »

ive flown it and its not very good in speed climb or turn. the 109g10 outclasses it.

does it really need to be perked?

Sixpence · « **Reply #1 on:** July 21, 2003, 06:38:26 AM »

I think it falls into the corsair 1c situation, although more of a case could be made for the 14. But to be honest, I agree, I don't find anything special about the 14(although I rarely fly it).

SELECTOR · « **Reply #2 on:** July 21, 2003, 07:10:59 AM »

i dont mind it being perked but why have spit14 as icon...just spit would do..

hazed- · « **Reply #3 on:** July 21, 2003, 07:20:29 AM »

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Originally posted by SELECTOR
i dont mind it being perked but why have spit14 as icon...just spit would do..

i would agree it doesnt need to be perked quite so highly as it is now but it does need some kind of price if it isnt to just replace the spit9 in the MA.

As for its icon i agree this too is too conspicious. However perhaps it needs a paintscheme that would make it recognisable when you get close. I prefer to be able to identify an enemy by looking for colour/shape once ive engaged. The F4uC or D are indestinguishable until you get close enough t see the nose cowl colour, then when you see a flash of yellow you know which one you are fighting.

Perhaps we could remove the spit14 tag and replace it with the normal 'spit' icon and then give the spit14 the 'Normandy stripes' so we can easily tell it from the spit9 once we are engaged?

Ecke-109- · « **Reply #4 on:** July 21, 2003, 07:28:30 AM »

Hallo Fester,

i guess you wouldnt hesitate to fight a buch of spit14s. No matter what plane you fly.
And because of your outstanding skills, you wouldnt care if all the spit9 hordes switch to spit14.
But for me, as a poorly advanced pilot, its enough to see half the arena flying spit9.

Btw,what do you think about the Ta152?

Ecke

DoctorYO · « **Reply #5 on:** July 21, 2003, 07:33:09 AM »

The spit14 should remain perked... Its superior to the g10 in every aspect except wep... Note im a big fan of g10 also so there isn't any bias there either...

Alot of people say how bad this aircraft is.. In my hands its untouchable.. Its highspeed climb and energy retention are bar none..

Most people fly it like a spitfire IMO that is wrong... Its a British Mustang. Though not as fast (almost), its highspeed climb is on par or superior to anything that can outrun it... Excellent view good firepower and a engine from hell... when powered down its turning ability is no slouch.... This aircraft has the best attributes in the game IMHO..

Now granted if your debate includes the LA7 then I say the LA7 get a perk. As current the LA7 is best non perk plane in the game... and should be perked. But then you got to look at the mustang also which is near untouchable when flown right... D9 ?

All perks should be adjusted... IMO...

Superior aircraft like the spit14 should never be unperked in the common pool... Then ringers like me would be that much closer to world domination, and you dont want that...

DoctorYo

Zippatuh · « **Reply #6 on:** July 21, 2003, 08:07:10 AM »

Yes, I agree. The F4U-4 does not need to be perked

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Kweassa · « **Reply #7 on:** July 21, 2003, 08:08:40 AM »

My kind of perks..

*Heavily perked
Me262: 100 points
Me163B: 70 points
Ar234: 50 points

*Moderately perked
Tempest5: 15 points
F4U-4: 15 points
Ta152H-1: 10 points

*Lightly perked
F4U-1C: 8 points
Spitfire14: 5 points
LA-7: 5 points
P-51D: 4 points
190D-9: 4 points
109G-10: 4 points
TYPHOON: 3 points
YAK9-U: 3 points
F4U-1D: 3 points
P-38L: 3 points
N1K2-J: 3 points
P-47D-30: 3 points

Ecke-109- · « **Reply #8 on:** July 21, 2003, 08:19:19 AM »

Kweassa,

thats not a bad idea....but...why do you think the Ta152 should be worth 10 perks. Because of its great performance in outerspace? well, i would agree ,if there would be something to fight at 25+k.
I didnt check the charts, but it feels like every lousy 190f8 matches Ta152.

Ecke

thrila · « **Reply #9 on:** July 21, 2003, 08:26:54 AM »

I've been flying the spit14 a lot this tour (i have over 200 kills in it so far) and i like it very much. It took me quite a while to get used to the torque, but now that i have i'm relatively confident in it. Under 200mph the spit14 becomes a handful to turn, p51's have reversed against me so quick at low speeds it's frightening.

DoctoyYo the g10 has a lot more going for it than just WEP which is a major advantage. Once the spit14 runs outta WEP the g10 might aswell be a 262. The g10 also climbs better above 10k and is much faster above 10k and below 25k, it also has better acceleration. the spit14 is also a large target mixed with it's poor durability is a very bad thing....couple of hits and the spit14 will lose a wing. The spit14 is hardly superior to the g10 in every aspect.

With the spit14 icon it's hard not to get ganged. If i'm in a 3v3 fight the 3 cons will ignore my 2 countrymen and so it turns into a 3v1. The cons don't care if they die....they act suicidely to try and kill me, just aslong as they kill me. I was flying yesterday and saw a spit14, over vox i heard someone shout "look a spit14, quick everyone kill it!" and about half a dozen planes pounced on this spit14.

As it stands now IMO the spit14 is not worth it's 60 perks. if it had a spit icon it would, otherwise it's perk cost should be drastically reduced.

WestyAH · « **Reply #10 on:** July 21, 2003, 08:31:36 AM »

Why do you care? Honestly. It's not like you couldn't spare the perks.

Is it because you want to see the MA become even goofier with all the masses of LaLa & Spitby IX riders jumping into that aircraft?

Kweassa · « **Reply #11 on:** July 21, 2003, 08:37:08 AM »

Nope, Ecke.

It's because if we make them unperked, ppl will be yelling for free La-7s and P-51s.

Also, needed some perk differences to differentiate it from the D-9, to emphasize the fact on its rarity. I'm thinking that bringing it down to the heaviest of all lightest perked planes - 8 points, on par with the Chog - could be possible.

ps) I agree with thrila.

At first, I thought the Spit14 was a worthy perk at 30 points or so. The problem is, I couldn't find any specific advantage for the Spit14 compared to the free La-7s and 109G-10s. Frankly, if the La7s and 109G-10s, P-51Ds and 190D-9s are free, then so should the Spit14 be.

Ecke-109- · « **Reply #12 on:** July 21, 2003, 08:38:08 AM »

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As it stands now IMO the spit14 is not worth it's 60 perks. if it had a spit icon it would, otherwise it's perk cost should be drastically reduced.

That seems to be a good compromise to me. And remove the 4 of the F4U4 icon, too.
And change the paintings a bit for better identification.

Ecke

gofaster · « **Reply #13 on:** July 21, 2003, 08:42:28 AM »

I think the Ki-61 and P-40E should be perked, just so they'd get more respect in the MA.

The Ki-61 is a killing machine against anything below it and within d300 of it. It holds its speed very well and turns pretty good in its flight envelope.

The P-40E is a killing machine against anything 10k or below, assuming you can hit a target at d500 turning away from you (because you sure aren't going to be chasing anything down).

gofaster · « **Reply #14 on:** July 21, 2003, 08:49:25 AM »

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DoctoyYo the g10 has a lot more going for it than just WEP which is a major advantage. Once the spit14 runs outta WEP the g10 might aswell be a 262. The g10 also climbs better above 10k and is much faster above 10k and below 25k, it also has better acceleration. the spit14 is also a large target mixed with it's poor durability is a very bad thing....couple of hits and the spit14 will lose a wing. The spit14 is hardly superior to the g10 in every aspect.
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As it stands now IMO the spit14 is not worth it's 60 perks. if it had a spit icon it would, otherwise it's perk cost should be drastically reduced.

The G10 has one major drawback vs the Spit 14: compression. The G10 can get away from you if you don't mind your speed. You'll be nose-planting from 20k if you don't use manual trim to keep her out of the dirt. I don't fly perk planes often and don't have much time in the Spit Mk XIV, but I don't recall it having much compression at high speeds. I do remember the XiV having much better visibility than the G10, and it certainly has better guns, too. For those reasons, the XiV should be perked.

If the Spit XiV were less than 60 perks, would we see fewer Mk IXs? Fewer LA-7s?