Just to set the record straight

[AKS\/\/ulfe]

Originally posted by JBA
Just a bump.
Since this is about the possible impeachment or re-election of the President it's a bit more important the "pics of your pets"

No it isn't, especially not if more people have pirate animals like Ac1d's Captain Jack.
-SW

[john9001]

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nobody said saddam BOUGHT uranium from Africa. they said he was TRYING  to buy it . and that is not a lie. only a fool would think that saddam did not want a nuke.

you people are so easly misled.

[Nash]

Originally posted by john9001
"... you people are so easly misled."

That's funny. Thanks for the chuckle.

[Scootter]

Originally posted by Nash
That's funny. Thanks for the chuckle.

When you are done, please tell me what part of John's post was not true.

Show me any proof that SH was not working on building a nuke, there is pleanty of proof that shows he has and was working on that very thing. Or do you only see what you want to?

Not picking a fight but it seems that the hate some people have for this country and the current adminastration have blinded them to simple facts, sad but true.

Tell me what will the next 9/11 be like, it matter who is in the White House. What if the next time we lose the better part of a city or another country does. The people that do this need support from nations to carry out there tasks. Is this really so hard to understand, have we forgotten the 3000+ people in NY City, we seem to have a much shorter memory then the folks in 1942 around say Dec. 7th.


The new arms race has only one end, if we put our head in the sand and hope it won't happen. Playing politics is really not the answer, if a Dem wins fine, then what, do you think they really care? Do you think a Dem will make you safer, Look how JFK handled the nukes in Cuba had they not been removed do you think he was bluffing. If Al Gore was President on Sep. 11 do you think things would have been differant? What would be going on now that would make us safer?

Why do these questions never get asked ?
Seems that NK paid no attention to Clinton or the UN regarding there nukes.

 You see they don't care they just want us infadels dead, listen to them they have no hidden adgenda.

The fact that the terrorests have no hidden adgenda is where we break down in our thinking we don't know how to handle or accept that.

JFK a Democrat once said we will "oppose any foe, fight any fight, help any friend". or something to that effect. Well this is "any fight" and they are "any foe" don't you think, or do you have another better plan?

[Dowding]

Show me any proof that SH was not working on building a nuke...

How the hell do you do that? This 'proving a negative' bull**** is getting beyond a joke.

[Scootter]

Originally posted by Dowding
How the hell do you do that? This 'proving a negative' bull**** is getting beyond a joke.

OK then at least agree that he was working on a weapon program of that kind, we just are not sure how far it has been deveoped.

I will agree that it does not seem like he was as far along as we once thought, however the fact remains he was and most likely would have continued this program to its compleation if left unchecked.

Would you say that is a resonable statement or are you gleanin some special insight as to his goodness and changed ways.

Why is it you seem to need all this proof that his programs existed, yet allowed SH to just say he had no WMD with no proof of there dismantelment and that is good enough for you. Or do you think he never had any WMD in spite of all the hard proof and the full UN belief of these weapon?

Please explain

[Fatty]

Weak babble.

"Would have continued this program to completion if left unchecked" (when, in 2035?  that is if he picked up the pace a bit)

"Why is it you seem to need all this proof that his programs existed, yet allowed SH to just say he had no WMD with no proof of there dismantelment and that is good enough for you."

Because we are a democracy going to war, and Dowding is right, this proving a negative crap is really sad.  Given the slightest half-assed effort, the administration could have built support simply based on Saddam being Saddam and the truce from the first war, but they had to push it.


I'm all set for impeachment.  I wanted a primary anyway so we could get a better candidate to run for my party.

[Scootter]

Originally posted by Fatty
Weak babble.


Because we are a democracy going to war, and Dowding is right, this proving a negative crap is really sad.  Given the slightest half-assed effort, the administration could have built support simply based on Saddam being Saddam and the truce from the first war, but they had to push it.


I'm all set for impeachment.  I wanted a primary anyway so we could get a better candidate to run for my party.

Where were you on the last 4 actions (Panama, Haiti, Cosavo, Samaula,) when we went  in to fight a war against  ruthless dictators. Or where were your complaints when Clinton attacked SH three times due to his information about WMD. Never saw this call for his proof or the justification  in the last 4 actions.

As I have said this is about Bush not anything else,  if not this then you guys would be scraping up something else. What’s next the fact that he partied in the past, who hasn’t  (funny thing when people accused Clinton about his not inhaling I could not care less about his smoking pot just his lame not inhaling crap). If you cant see the blinders you and others have on, I understand this, as it is a form of blind rage and hate for Bush. I don't expect to change your minds, I only hoped you can see how Partisan this issue is. I found the same thing happening to me with Clinton in office and it was hard to accept that I was not as objective as perhaps I should have been.

Take care and good luck with your impeachment.

The issues for the Dems. are not looking very  good, so I can understand your witch hunt Things are getting better in Iraq, the economy will get better (already started) and we will get our more and more proof of WMD,  we will also get SH and his sons, all this will happen in time for the election, This is what you and the Dems fear the most, admit it. This is why these issues have taken a back seat to 17 words in a speech.

[Sixpence]

Impeachment? I think we're going a little overboard.

[Fatty]

Scooter, I have no problem with the war in Iraq at all and I'm no supporter of Clinton, I voted against him twice.

I do have a big problem with tweaking the information to present a case, especially when the case could have been made without it.  I don't want to see a democrat in the White House in 2005, but unless we get a better candidate that's likely going to happen.

[Torque]

Originally posted by Fatty



I'm all set for impeachment.  I wanted a primary anyway so we could get a better candidate to run for my party.

Impeachment, you'd just be cutting the tail off a wolf.

[Lance]

The issue is not 17 words, but whether we were duped by our government.  It is whether they purposefully manipulated intelligence and/or knowingly used bad intelligence in an attempt to lead us into a war.   What you consider as merely 17 words, I and many others consider as possible evidence of what could easily be the most horrible and damaging betrayal of the public trust in American history.

It is not democrat yelping that make this an issue.  It is that no WMD have been found and at least some of intelligence pushed by the administration was refuted by the CIA before the war that makes this an issue.  What Bush and his backers need to do is answer the questions and show the public that they did not try to manipulate the evidence against Iraq to lead us and the world to war.  What they/you do not need to do is try to spin this down to a partisan non-issue.  That just makes it look like they/you can't win the argument on facts and must hope to convince people that this is just partisan politics.

Sorry, that won't do for me.  However, I vote for more democrats than republicans and was leery of the war to begin with, so my opinion doesn't count.  Perhaps this will work for the rest of America, but then again, perhaps not.

[john9001]

"""easily be the most horrible and damaging betrayal of the public trust in American history. """

oh brother, when in worry or in doubt , run in circles, scream and shout.

[JBA]

Originally posted by Lance
It is not democrat yelping that make this an issue...



Sorry, that won't do for me. However, I vote for more democrats than republicans   and was leery of the war to begin with,

No your right. It's the Liberal Media

Then by your own admissions you are partisan.