Author Topic: Friday, The 25th, Okinawa (Read 1350 times)

najdorf · « **Reply #15 on:** July 22, 2003, 05:04:40 PM »

It's no skin off my nose either way, just a suggestion so the USN guys would have a chance to fly their little used uber hog rides. But, I do think it would be a very interesting experiment, so in that since I'm sorry that it won't be given a try.

brady · « **Reply #16 on:** July 22, 2003, 05:06:39 PM »

It's been tryed before, you just missed it:)

Slash27 · « **Reply #17 on:** July 22, 2003, 06:48:23 PM »

Ive seen the C-Hog 1 time in a U.S.S.R vs Japan set up. Leave out the Hog-4 and lets us fly the C-Hog more than once a year. Where is the P-38 BTW?

Batz · « **Reply #18 on:** July 22, 2003, 07:11:17 PM »

there were no p38s on station during the US landings at okinawa.

There were no land bases available that were close enough for the p38 to be involved, Those hogs that were "land based" were brought on carriers then transfered to land.

At okinawa the Japanese chose not to contest the landings so the US quickly overan those airbases on the SW end of the island. The US also secured some of the smaller islands around okinawa and used them as unsinkable carriers.

Chogs and F4u-4 were at okinawa but were heavily involved in the a2g aspect. In rl the US had a difficult time on okinawa. With the amount of ground cover and intricate cave systems the US needed a2g power. Thats not the case in ah. I can easily deack the largest field on okinawa, kil the radar and most of the fuel in an a6m5. A chog could probrably kill everything.

Currently theres no real defense for the axis should the allies roll up on their bases. They have a substantial advantage in jabo capability. In the overall scheme of things the chog and f4u-4s contribution to the okinawa invasion was limited. In the ct these 2 planes would become the norm, not the exception.

In the last setup the axis held on to the island mostly because of the "stupidity" of most of the admirals who sailed their fleet right up to the axis sbs. So they were sunk.

Overall I think the way the last set up was run 85% of the time it was one of the best. The other 15% was what you usually find in pac set ups. I dont think it needs any more tweaking.

Incidentally in the scenario "Operation Iceberg" the chog, the f4u-4 and even the f4u-1 will be involved. In scenarios its eaier to limit the impact of some planes. Even in operation iceberg these 3 planes will have a larger percentage of sorties then they did in the real battle.

The one plane that is missed in both is the ki-84. But until one comes to ah theres not much we can do. Like brady said the la5 is a poor sub and an immersion killer.

imo the fm2 and f6f put up the best fight.

I hope brady remembers to add the fm2 to the land bases.

Slash27 · « **Reply #19 on:** July 22, 2003, 07:21:19 PM »

there were no p38s on station during the US landings at okinawa. Did not know that. Thanks.

brady · « **Reply #20 on:** July 22, 2003, 07:35:04 PM »

Ya I am (FM2) forgot to mention that, I coppied my last set up notes:)

"Ive seen the C-Hog 1 time in a U.S.S.R vs Japan set up."

I used it twice in that set up and once I had the F4U-4 enebled in it.

"Leave out the Hog-4 and lets us fly the C-Hog more than once a year."

I would love to, but it causes some balance issues, at least on this set up,I think their still prety cheap in the MA.

P38 would cause Balance issues as well, speead firpower ordance ect..., and they werent their.

marcof · « **Reply #21 on:** July 24, 2003, 08:03:31 AM »

How long will it take before some axis biast CT manager removes the corsair due to axis winging?????

any takers 1 hour, 2 hours, even as long as 1 day???

I suggest that if you want to fly the corsair you do it quick before its removed or even "forgoten" to be included,

Marcof.

_Schadenfreude_ · « **Reply #22 on:** July 24, 2003, 09:37:40 AM »

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Originally posted by ergRTC
Yak doesnt really have the same firepower though does it? I always thought a d9 might be a better replacement for the 84.

allies dont need those super birds anyway.

Nah Spit 9 or 14 instead of the Ki84A is my vote, 190A5 for the Jack

ergRTC · « **Reply #23 on:** July 24, 2003, 10:42:07 AM »

marcof, this scenario isnt running yet.

did the ki really handle like a spit9? I could buy a spit14, but the way the ki84 handles in warbirds, I would be a little skeptical of that too. Little more stall happy like a 190.

najdorf · « **Reply #24 on:** July 24, 2003, 10:55:54 AM »

In AW it handled better than Spit XIV, but not as well as Spit IX. Had good guns, good top speed and excellent accelleration. I recall it being able to turn with a Hellcat.

ergRTC · « **Reply #25 on:** July 24, 2003, 11:00:08 AM »

Yeah, I played air warrior for 5 years. I still consider that flight model so porked comparissons just are not worth considering. I never played warbirds online, but i have 3 on my puter.

Sakai · « **Reply #26 on:** July 25, 2003, 09:52:16 AM »

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Originally posted by najdorf
In AW it handled better than Spit XIV, but not as well as Spit IX. Had good guns, good top speed and excellent accelleration. I recall it being able to turn with a Hellcat.

It did not accelerate like a Spit but handled well at high speeds and would out turn the spit if you got slow and notched yer flaps. I never had a Spit IX out turn me (flat turn, I think the Spit and P-38s were the looping champs) in AW when flying a Ki-84 unless it was at higher speeds but as soon as you started in turns all the Jap planes in AW, notch a flap and get inside anything. It ate Hellcats up if you flew it right. Taking it high killed it. After awhile in AW yo couldn't go anywhere without encountering Cats, Ponies and Corsairs at 25-30K. The '84 had no real game up there.

Sakai

Makofan · « **Reply #27 on:** July 25, 2003, 09:08:53 PM »

marcof

me, ramzey and lucull flew N1K against F4U's tonight for about 45 minutes. We got 9 kills for 2 deaths, so even though the F4U's can put their nose down and run at will, they still have to mix it up if they want a kill. Most of our kills were through dragging/setting up/covering. I had no real complaints

LtMagee · « **Reply #28 on:** July 26, 2003, 02:20:55 AM »

yeah George is a real pain in the ass. All I saw tonight was SOB landed 5 kills, 6 kills, 3 kills, kill kill kill kill in a N1J2k. Then there is the KI-67 again geesh. I only saw a handfull of A6M5s and 3 B5Ns. This is rediculus.

Arlo · « **Reply #29 on:** July 26, 2003, 03:34:43 AM »

Blame the fleet commodore that sailed our fleets right into the thick of everything. Personally, I blame Logitech. (That treasonous aircraft joystick manufacturer that has no qualms about sending some of our boys to their doom just to make a buck off of shoddy workmanship!*)

Tis a good map and a good planeset and it will undoubtedly prove or disprove some theories about balanced gameplay based on nothing more than statistical speed charts.

*Well, Arlo ... you get what you pay for.