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Offline GRUNHERZ

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« on: May 14, 2001, 06:44:00 PM »
Can one of you guys please explain the half-wing behavior modeling. We all know that some planes like the F4U, Niki, FW190, and I belive also Typhoon and F6F can go on flying reasonably well after they recieve the half-wing damage. While planes like the Spit, Me109, and yak etc.. cannnot even maintain level flight. Some have said this is just a random representaition of general wing damage, but I think this is false as the planes behave exactly the same every time they loose a wing half. Others have said that planes with high roll rates are able to overcome the loss of lift due to their aileron power, however I belive this is false too as the F6F and especially Typhoon have rather low roll rates. Plus somebody posted a WW2 picture of a TBM Avenger flying with half a wing as we see in AH- certainly this plane doesnt have a high roll rate- and even in the picture the opposite aileron was minimally deflected. So its not roll rate or aileron force. IT obviously has nothing to do with wing loading as the highly loaded FW190 can fly with the half wing damage while the much more lightly loaded Spit cannot. So whats the deal deal here guys, can you please take a few minutes to explain this and support this behavior.

My fear is that its completly arbitrary in how it works. Perhaps its no different than the earlier completely arbirtary oil-cooler leak run times, that have since been corrected. Perhaps its time to correct this one as well. But first It would be great of you guys at HTC to give us some info on why the planes fly as they do on half a wing.

Please respond to this Hitech or Pyro.


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« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2001, 07:07:00 PM »
Yes it's true, the wing-damage modeling is wierd, but think about it, you can't fight with half a wing. Pulling on the stick hard enough it will roll over. Let them go if the wing's gone. If they fight on, kill em.

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« Reply #2 on: May 14, 2001, 08:17:00 PM »
 So that was you lastnight   I rtb'd safely btw  

 Usually I just keep shooting till the whole wing is gone  


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« Reply #3 on: May 14, 2001, 08:20:00 PM »
P-51 is capable to fly with auto-pilot on with half wing missing.
Also La's are easy to fly and land with missing wingtip.

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« Reply #4 on: May 14, 2001, 08:31:00 PM »
HT said they're working on the graphical representations of this damage to more accurately show a missiong wingtip.

In other words, as it is now, more of the wing is showing to be gone than should be.

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« Reply #5 on: May 14, 2001, 08:34:00 PM »
Umm...
Some planes can fly with auto-pilot on while some can't even stay airborne.

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« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2001, 10:37:00 PM »
HB the graphical representation is actually irellevant. What is relevant are the wildly different flight effects of the "half-wing" damage, from plane to plane. It seems purely arbitrary wheter a plane can fly with half a wing or not. It isnt tied to roll rate, turn rate, speed, wing loading, aileron ability , airplane weight, overall wing size or anything. There is no consisistency whatsoever.

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« Reply #7 on: May 14, 2001, 10:53:00 PM »
I've landed 190's on several occasions with both wing tips missing  

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« Reply #8 on: May 14, 2001, 11:13:00 PM »
I'm no aeronautical engineer, but why should it be the same? If plane A has more wingloading than plane B, both planes lose 2 ft of their left wingtip, wouldn't plane A be more succeptible to a hard left roll than plane B?

Something to kick around anyway.

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« Reply #9 on: May 14, 2001, 11:45:00 PM »
Yep HB they should be diffrent, but consider this a spit has much lighter wingloading than 190. BUT in AH 190 flies with half-wing while a spit doesnt. So wingloading isnt a factor in this as far as AH is concerned. Thats what im sayiyng its arbitrary, just like the old oil-cooler leak run times were arbitrary.

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« Reply #10 on: May 14, 2001, 11:48:00 PM »
Good point.

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« Reply #11 on: May 15, 2001, 12:02:00 AM »
cc Grun, I have talked to HT about this, and half a wing is representative of wing damage.

Yet you do have a good point.

I believe wing damage is something HTC should really work on. IMO of course.

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« Reply #12 on: May 15, 2001, 12:04:00 AM »
Every gun camera footage I have ever seen of any plane losing its wingtip immediately rolls out of control. I saw footage of a 190 losing its outer 4 foot or so of wing and it rolled into oblivion. I have to also wonder at the damage to the control cables and pulleys that operate between the two control surfaces. If you damage one side its usually gonna screw up the other. I think if the damage gets into the aileron they should loose substantial control of the other aileron to. We want realism right?


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« Reply #13 on: May 15, 2001, 12:23:00 AM »
it is tied directly to durability
Fester was my in game name until September 2013

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« Reply #14 on: May 15, 2001, 05:43:00 AM »
Guys let's shut up and let Grunherz get his answer.

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