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Offline MANDOBLE

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190A vs SpitVB
« on: July 22, 2003, 06:17:51 PM »
From Ecke's link:

http://www.odyssey.dircon.co.uk/VBv190.htm

Climb:The climb of the FW 190 is superior to that of the Spitfire VB at all heights.

The best speeds for climbing are approximately the same, but the angle of the FW 190 is considerably steeper. Under maximum continuous climbing conditions the climb of the FW 190 is about 450 ft/min better up to 25,000'. With both aircraft flying at high cruising speed and then pulling up into a climb, the superior climb of the FW 190 is even more marked.  When both aircraft are pulled up into a climb from a dive, the FW 190 draws away very rapidly and the pilot of the Spitfire has no hope of catching it.

Dive: Comparative dives between the two aircraft have shown that the FW 190 can leave the Spitfire with ease, particularly during the initial stages.

Manoeuvrability. The manoeuvrability of the FW 190 is better than that of the Spitfire VB except in turning circles, when the Spitfire can quite easily out-turn it. The FW 190 has better acceleration under all conditions of flight and this must obviously be most useful during combat.

Better climb up to 25000 feet?
Steeper climb?
Better zoom climb?
Better dive particulary during initial stages?
Better acceleration under all conditions?

What 190A was that? 190A9?? 190A10??
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Re: 190A vs SpitVB
« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2003, 06:32:34 PM »
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What 190A was that? 190A9?? 190A10??


I don't know, but that 190 is from another planet than those in AH.
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« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2003, 07:17:04 PM »
Sounds like a good description of the AH Fw190A-5 vs the AH Spitfire Mk Vb.

What is the point of this post?  More Spitfire whining?

You're getting pretty pathetic MANDOBLE.


Seriously MANDOBLE, you seem to have a huge case of "The grass is greener on the other side" going.

I've flown both the 190A-5 and Spit V in AH and the 190A-5 is a far, far better fighter.  Drop the Spitfire bullcrap already.
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« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2003, 07:23:39 PM »
I don't know Karnak.

Doesn't it remind you of the good ole days? How long has it been anyway?

The backward firing Typhoon; the C-Hog Crisis...

...those were the threads, my friend, we thought they'd never end, we'd type and type, forever and a daaaaaaaaaaaay........ we flew the planes we'd choose, we'd fight and never looooooose, those were the threads, oh yes those were the daaaaaaaaaazzzzzzzzze!

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« Reply #4 on: July 22, 2003, 07:36:31 PM »
Karnak, before demostrating your absolute ignorance, you can:
1 - Check the climb charts for substained climb at constant speed.
2 - Do climb/angle tests at several alts.
3 - Check initial acceleration at level and diving from slow speeds and several alts.
4 - And most important, fight a spitV in a 190A5/A8 from a co E state.
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« Reply #5 on: July 22, 2003, 07:49:37 PM »
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Offline Karnak

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« Reply #6 on: July 22, 2003, 08:26:25 PM »
To prove your ignorance is total MANDOBLE, you can just look at those charts.  Gee, the Fw190A-5 is better on every one of them across the board except fir a loss in climb rate at 8,000 to 18,000ft.  And that is sustained climb rate, not the much more relevant zoom climb rate.

That also ignores the fact that the WEP on the 190A-5 lasts twice as long and it has more than twice the cannon ammo and better visibility.

Check you numbers again.


190A-8 is a non issue as it is over armored and comparing a Spit V to it is apples and oranges.
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« Reply #7 on: July 22, 2003, 08:42:11 PM »
It's amazing that the same old debunked arguments keep coming up over and over on this forum.

The text that Mandoble posted is from the the same report as this page:  http://www.geocities.com/spades53.geo/pro_190_survey_c_1.jpg

If you want to match AH to Mandoble's text, you need to use the power settings on that page.  +12/3000 for the Spit V and 1.42/2700 for the 190.  Otherwise any comparison between AH and that text is invalid.
« Last Edit: July 22, 2003, 11:49:11 PM by funkedup »
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Offline Dead Man Flying

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« Reply #8 on: July 22, 2003, 09:40:53 PM »
Perk the Spit V!

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« Reply #9 on: July 22, 2003, 09:45:15 PM »
Funked, show respect or you shall feel the lash of the rear firing Typhoon guns! You have been warned!!!
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« Reply #10 on: July 23, 2003, 01:53:36 AM »
Karnak, check at your stats of the last 15 tours and then come here and tell us your large experience flying 190A5/A8 or SpitV, against SpitV/190A.

If you want to check the ONLY two charts we have, 190A8 is outclimbed by far, 190A5 is outclimbed between 7 and 17k (substained climb), and spitV can climb steeper at any alt.

You can come here and tell us, hey these tests surely were wrong, or you can come here and show us you dont know a bit about any of these planes.
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« Reply #11 on: July 23, 2003, 06:10:45 AM »
Gentlemen...

no need to throw with little stones.;)

I just sent a request to the webmaster. I hope he will give us more infos.
Calm down guys. It seems like its hard to discuss here on a serious level.

Ecke
« Last Edit: July 23, 2003, 06:13:03 AM by Ecke-109- »
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« Reply #12 on: July 23, 2003, 06:16:05 AM »
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Karnak, check at your stats of the last 15 tours and then come here and tell us your large experience flying 190A5/A8 or SpitV, against SpitV/190A.


Oh look, Mandoble pulls out the old "You don't fly it, so you can't say anything" line.

Well, how about this, Mandoble?  I fly the Spit V.  I've probably flown it more than any other person in this game.  And I've fought oodles and oodles of 190A5s both in the MA and in scenario environments.  The fact remains that the 190A5 matches up extremely well against the Spit V, and in a situation where surviving matters, I'd choose the 190 over the Spit V.

Give this one up before you embarrass yourself further.

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Offline Pei

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« Reply #13 on: July 23, 2003, 07:17:02 AM »
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Originally posted by funkedup
It's amazing that the same old debunked arguments keep coming up over and over on this forum.

The text that Mandoble posted is from the the same report as this page:  http://www.geocities.com/spades53.geo/pro_190_survey_c_1.jpg

If you want to match AH to Mandoble's text, you need to use the power settings on that page.  +12/3000 for the Spit V and 1.42/2700 for the 190.  Otherwise any comparison between AH and that text is invalid.


De ja vu.
I'm sure we have been here before.....
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« Reply #14 on: July 23, 2003, 08:26:55 AM »
And there was me thinking the chip-on-my-shoulder luftwhiners had heard enough of their own arguments. Still good to see the deceased horse is worth flogging.

Keep it coming!
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