My oh my.......

[Ice]

Hiyas Rip!

My only point is this...the guns are very intense and although your correct in that the cannons should be more effective than the 50's, they should not be so much better as they currently are However, as HTC has has done in the past, they will dial things in I'm sure.

In addition, it just happens to be the ride for many new pilots as well as some crafty old ones which has increased its numbers in the arena to a point that it now enjoys a level of success not before seen. There is a reason for this...it's easier to get kills in it than other rides...currently, with the advent of 1.04, I have to keep guns on target longer flying the 51, which yields fewer kills than I was used to prior to 1.04...the chog kills quickly...nothing wrong with this...it's just the way it goes

And in closing, I'm jealous and wish I had that level of firepower on the 51 However, I will deal with this as I have dealt with all of the other changes made in this sim, and will soon enjoy my usual dominance over all who I fly against (hope ya know I'm kidding.....kinda)

Ltr

Ice

[Ripsnort]

<S> Ice, you said: ".it's easier to get kills in it than other rides."

And I just want to I agree, and I would like to add that it is also easier to get killed in one than it is other rides as well, kinda a balance if you ask me. <S>

Edit: Ice, I'll gladly trade my 4 cannons for the top end speed of the P51, granted you take the top end speed of the F4U and the cannons on it.  

[This message has been edited by Ripsnort (edited 10-24-2000).]

[lazs]

yeager... did u happen to notice the 2 squads that were hitting 22?   There was a pretty high concentration of talent in those two groups.

ice... I would be very happy if the mg's were turned up a bit.
lazs

[Yeager]

I was just doing an extremely poor job last night.  I think we had at least two squads of enemy F4Us over 22 while I was on and it was a bloody damned affair.

Not a slam against the F4 as much as it was a recognition of sorts that I was in way over my head and spent most of my time on defense.

Im sot sure what the problem has been with the F4Us lately.  For a three or four day stretch they were everywhere and I saw some damn corny stuff.

These past few days I havent really seen anything alarming.  I have no explanation for it other than ther moon being full or something.

Westy,
I never flew AW but everyone I used to fly with in WBs generally had a pretty low opinion of it.  Perhaps I let that unsubstantiated belief seep in through this post.

My apologies.  In retrospect, the AW guys I have come to know here in AH are as top notch as any.

Yeager

[Dingy]

 

Originally posted by Yeager:
These past few days I havent really seen anything alarming.  I have no explanation for it other than ther moon being full or something.

Dont sweat it Yeag...truthfully, I have been getting awfully frustrated as well, primarily due to arena imbalances.  We have the Nits who very often outnumber the Bish and Riks combined and now after flying with the Riks for the last day, I havent seen their numbers break the 15 marks when Nits and Bish had close to 30.  

Riks have done quite well with their poor numbers.  Maybe its time to switch to a different country for a change.

-Ding

[Vulcan]

OK, well i think I know the answer to the uber-hawgs guns.

Its the position on the plane. A while back I noticed that using just the wing root mounted cannons on the 190 was more effective than the outboard cannons. IE, if you ditched the outboard cannons it made little lethality difference at the end of the day.

Lately I've been flying the tiffie a lot which has guns just like a Chog. So the other night I tried the Chog and found that the lethality felt higher than the Tiffie. Then i noticed the mounting points on the tiffie were wayyyyy out on the wings.

I think the chog has two things going for the guns, the mount closer to the center (and also the cannons are mounted close to each other) and the Chogs design means that the guns seem to fire at a better elevation (due to the long drooped nose).

When you fly the hawg the aiming point for a lead shot is usually visiable, whereas if you fly a 190 u notice the aiming point is well below the nose.

IE, the hawg has a better gun arrangement. Resulting in higher effectively lethality.

What do you guys think?

[Hangtime]

Maybe Vulcan.. sounds right; and when you add in the odd dispersion effects that seem to have hit everybodys gunnery, it rings pretty true.

Postulate: The further the separatation on the weapons; the more adverse this new dispersion effect is. Tried a P38 the other night; and it felt like I was flying my old pony again as far as gunnery was concerend. Couldn't figure that till I read your post.

As far as the Chog is concerned.. it's a damn menace. Only 200 made.. and they are all up in the MA every night; cloning madly in the clouds; begatting more... and more..  

Wouldn't bother me too much; except with the MG's on my pony not having the puch they used to have; I've had to spend more time working on these guys as they manuver in order to do terminal damage.. which leaves me slower; sooner, and with less ammo remaining afterwards, assuming I did'nt get killed spending all that time on his tail.

This tour; I've noticed I'm getting far fewer 2-3 kill sorties.. and more 1 kill; then killed sorties. Gone are the good old days of 5-6-7 kill missions and landing with ammo left. It's subtle; but there nontheless. Somethings diffrent.. hope they figure it out.

Hang

[Badger]

 

Originally posted by Hangtime:
Gone are the good old days of 5-6-7 kill missions and landing with ammo left. It's subtle; but there nontheless. Somethings diffrent.. hope they figure it out.

Hang

LOL..... <S> hangtime

Yup, this certainly sounds like real life WWII to me.  

Sorry, but statement sounds really odd when discussed in the same breath as criticizing the CHOG as being unrealistic.  

P51d = great flight model with average guns
F4U-1c = average flight model with great guns

If I didn't know better, some of these threads sound like they have an alternate agenda in mind.  hehehe

Regards,
Badger

[Cobra]

Why can't we all just fly YAKS?

Ok, I admit, they aren't for everyone....pocket change for ammo load, no wep   and who needs more than 1 20mm anyway?

Girly boys, thats who.  And 6 guns...HAH!, wayyy too many, real smelly MEN only need 3!

Oh and I forgot to mention the fuel load....well a '73 Cadillac holds more fuel!

So on second thought....leave the YAK in the stable...she deserves better than you Hawgs, and Ponies and Georges.

Now for moving mud, the CHog is the pick of the litter, that I will admit too.

Cobra

[lazs]

hang... I would love for the mg's to be more effective.   The yak would be unbeatable also if it had more ammo and a little more punch.
lazs

[Ripsnort]

 

Originally posted by lazs:
hang... I would love for the mg's to be more effective.   The yak would be unbeatable also if it had more ammo and a little more punch.
lazs

The Punch is there, just have to get in closer for that cheap Russian ammo ;P

[lazs]

yep rip, I'm sure it is mostly my pitiful marksmanship combined with an iffy connect but.... I have mean ol drexie for a squaddie and he delights in stealing any kill he can from me so... Not much chance for me in the Yak.

I do belive that it wouldn't hurt a thing to increase all the MG's a tad tho.   Might even out some of the vagaries of the internet and make for more viable plane choices without straying from realism much if at all.   Seems kinda win/win to me.
lazs

[NHFoxtro]

Vulcan now you know why I like CHOG and don't mind going H2H with it. I might of done ok with the B17 last week but you took one off my wing tips off. Nice shot from your Tiffie.

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NHFoxtro
-XO-NightHawks
 
NightHawks "WE BAD"

[This message has been edited by NHFoxtro (edited 10-25-2000).]

[Westy]

Roger Yeager     You're one of the good guys so my nose wasn't really out of joint. I guess I still defend the old girl (AW) in some ways.

 -Westy

[Animal]

Hangtime and Vulcan are right.

Try the P38 and the 4x .50 pony.
Do not use the hispano on the P38.

the .50 guns on the P38 do more damage than the mustang.

why? because its a more concentrated punch.

4x .50 hitting almost in the same place do much more damage than 4x .50 hitting all over the enemy aircarft, some guns even missing the target.