Abuse of the practise area

[hblair]

 

Originally posted by AKDejaVu:
The newbie is not responsible for finding a field other than default to launch from.  The people doing the furballing are.

You're taking for granted that the furballers are not also newbies.  

 

Originally posted by AKDejaVu:
That is the way the training arena should be.  If its not, then the trainers aren't really get the point across adequately and HTC should handle it.

Run this one by me again, it aint too clear..
 

What I'm saying here is the problems that arise in the TA aren't always so cut and dried, it takes some give and take by everyone. The furballers and the people recieving/doing the training just don't mix well.

Should the default field be the furball field? probably not, but if there were no default field, and the pilots appeared at random fields upon entry to the arena, the problem would likely be solved.

If ya don't want to be disturbed while training with a friend/trainer it pays to steer clear of the furball area.

If ya don't want to get in trouble with HTC, don't shoot the non-participating newbies.

I'm rambling now...

[funked]

NM I can't read

[This message has been edited by funked (edited 09-17-2000).]

[AKDejaVu]

Hblair,

It is very simple:

 

This is not an open arena.  Do not engage other players unless you have their permission to practice with them.  Do not interupt other people from practicing together.  Thanks for your cooperation.

Asking people to stop is not the answer.  It not starting in the first place is.  If someone fails to follow the rules, HTC should be dealing with it.  Its really that simple.

The "did you ask them to stop" reply really reminds me of a character Billy Chrystal played on Saturday Night Live.  He was a NY wrighter doing a series of books about how NY was an excellent vacation spot.  When someone called into the show and explained how when he visited NY, someone poured gasoline on him and lit him on fire.  Billy Chrystal then asked "Did you look him in the eyes prior to this?"

Asking people to stop is not the answer.  Furballing away from the main field sure is.  Not attacking respawning planes sure is.  That's why we have the training arena.  If people wanted to be shot on the runway, they'd be in the main arena.

AKDejaVu

[hblair]

Been trying to figure out your simple reply for 10 minutes AK, too tired for this, maybe I'll give it a shot tomorrow.

BTW, What do you recommend HTC do to a guy that vulches an unwilling fella OTR 3 or 4 times in a row in the TA? Think about it.

[wolf37]

hi:

Caine, I am not a trainer, and Ive been in AH for a couple of days, maybe more then a couple. It does not matter what anybody really say's to you, the guy that attacked you was wrong. now the guys responding to your post are right in the fact they are just trying to help you out. they may have worded some things wrong and that is easy to do here. you will find that almost all the people in AH are good people, and that a lot of them will help if they can.
now the only thing i can suggest is when this kind of thing happens, ask the person to stop as you are trying to learn, if he does not stop or says some thing rude to you, then yes, move to another field. right or wrong does not matter now, he is a jerk and wont leave you alone. at the same time, ask if there is a trainer in the TA and if they can do some thing about this person. now if all else fails, come to the MA and ask if somebody could help you out in the TA, you might be surprized by the responce. now at the same time, remember it is just a game and not worth getting upset over, you are the bigger person here and the jerk has to try and prove his manhood by been rude. dont fall down to his level.

now I do hope you wont let this be the deciding factor on wheather you stay with AH or not, it is a good game with a lot of good people, but it is the jerks that all ways stand out the most, and we have to put up with them here as well. but I do wish you the best of luck on future visits to AH.



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[funked]

"BTW, What do you recommend HTC do to a guy that vulches an unwilling fella OTR 3 or 4 times in a row in the TA? Think about it."

You send him an email explaining the rules.

If it happens again you delete his account.

[Replicant]

If anyone wants a free-for-all, they should be the ones moving to a different field and preferably as far away from the default (A1 usually for Bishops) field as possible.  Afterall there are some newbies that don't even know how to move fields yet.  I guess some are so excited at getting a great game they fail to read the readme.  Nevertheless no-one should be engaged and especially at the default fields.

I popped in the TA yesterday and there was someone parked on the runway in an Ostwind blowing everything up that tried to take off and land.  Then other pilots vulching newbies trying to take off.  As it stands it's quite a joke and some 1 or 2 week old newbies are guilty of that too.

Perhaps a different colour icon is needed showing that it's a newbie and which also makes them invulnerable to gunfire.  They can then switch it off when they want to engage with their trainer etc.  Some people may abuse this but after all it's a training room, not the main arena.

Regards

'Nexx'

[This message has been edited by Replicant (edited 09-17-2000).]

[funked]

If people want a free for all, that's what H2H is for.

[Gadfly]

I have never used the TA, but it seems to me the name alone says it all: "Training Arena".
Not "Free For All Arena", or even "Practice with your Buddies Arena".  It is for training, assisted by a trainer, or just a safe place for newbies to learn to fly without having all you hotshots gunning them down before they get airborne.

I would suggest H2H for EVERYTHING but pure training.

edit-Lizking

[This message has been edited by Gadfly (edited 09-17-2000).]

[Sharky]

This problem is has been ongoing since day one of the TA.  The way to fix it is to have dedicated training times with dedicated trainers that are REQUIRED to be in the TA at those times.

I'm sorry but HTC has hosed up the whole training system since the get go.  The TA while providing some outstanding training for new people has been a constant source of agravation for a lot of new people.  I shudder to think of the number of people who may have never gone past their free trial because of the behavior in the TA.

Sharky

[Nash]

Does this thread ever look familiar    

Problem simply solved by adding a line to the pop-up message: "Free-for-alls at A23 only".

You have to manually move to that field, and are fully aware of what you're getting into should you decide to go there.



[This message has been edited by Nash (edited 09-17-2000).]

[Caine]

OK thanks guys, I had a good nights sleep now and cooled off a bit. Admittedly, I flew off the handle a bit here, sorry hbair, that last rant wasn'r directed at you personally :-)
I am not about to be scared off by a few players who can't appreciate the enjoyment a challenge can provide (I'm confident if I could get some altitude on that guy I could wing him!)

But I can't play often - at weekends my ISP is free, and since I am busy tonight I probably won't get any more action til next week. Hopefully see some of you guys then...

You know where I'll be if you like winding people up :-))

[Caine]

hey how come smilies don't work for me?

testing..
:-)
 

ah i see.
 

[hblair]

Thanx snoopi

Good answer funked, maybe a 24 hour suspension for the second offense, the deleting the account for a third.

As far as H2H being for ffa, I agree, but sometimes there isn't a session going, plus being the host can be a hassle with the screen freezes and all.

I had a guy show up in the TA last night minus a stick and any expereince in the game, after much hairpulling, I had him flying a P38 with the mouse. Was a blast.

cain, if you wanna hook up, my addy is in my signature...

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[This message has been edited by hblair (edited 09-17-2000).]

[Rock]

Who is TAK? Anyone want to claim this TA abuser?