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Offline Manedew

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« on: July 28, 2003, 07:51:07 AM »
PLease get rid of the proximity fuse- man'd 5" CV guns in AH2 ....

It's whoopee retarded.... i feel like i playing BF 1942 with that BS

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« Reply #1 on: July 28, 2003, 08:09:38 AM »
Ever think they were proxi fuses in real life?

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« Reply #2 on: July 28, 2003, 08:41:26 AM »
i dont mind the proxy fused manned flak its the nonstop ai flak barrage that is the most annoying crap in the game
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« Reply #3 on: July 28, 2003, 02:54:24 PM »
The effectiveness AI flak on both ships and TRAINS needs to be lowered.

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« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2003, 11:54:29 PM »
Fly near enemy fleets and installations and not draw flak?  Wouldn't be very realistic, would it?
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« Reply #5 on: July 30, 2003, 12:37:26 AM »
But they did use prox fused shells for aircraft defense.   I believe they were first used in combat towards the end of the Guadalcanal campaign by the U.S.
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« Reply #6 on: July 30, 2003, 02:44:38 AM »
so you telling me they worked that well?  


we 'had' proxy fuse topeado's too in wwII ... 1 -3 worked or something unless modified?

I don't feel it's a good simulation in relation to the rest of AH... but that's me.

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« Reply #7 on: August 01, 2003, 01:04:24 PM »
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so you telling me they worked that well?  


we 'had' proxy fuse topeado's too in wwII ... 1 -3 worked or something unless modified?

I don't feel it's a good simulation in relation to the rest of AH... but that's me.


Well, considering that planes attacked in waves in WWII and that in AH it's 1-3 attackers, I think any surviving is a bit insane against an American CV and escorts.  The US fleet's AA suite was vastly superior to any nations and the Prox fuse was credited with making the US ack far and away the most deadly (that and we placed tons of AA on our ships).  The Prox fuse was not perfect, but yes it worked well enough to be the difference when the Kamikaze craze was all the rage in Tokyo-town.

It was a hush-hush secret weapon, it was quite effective.

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« Reply #8 on: August 01, 2003, 01:22:17 PM »
It's not the accuracy that annoys me, it's that 1 single hit will either remove a wing or kill you instantly.  Never anything less than catastrophic.


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« Reply #9 on: August 01, 2003, 01:41:39 PM »
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It's not the accuracy that annoys me, it's that 1 single hit will either remove a wing or kill you instantly.  Never anything less than catastrophic.


Yes, well, it is after all about a 125mm shell.  Frankly, if it did not destroy an aircraft I'd be staggered.

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« Reply #10 on: August 01, 2003, 03:34:20 PM »
I dunno.... I've yet to hit anything with 5" guns!  :D
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« Reply #11 on: August 01, 2003, 03:56:14 PM »
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I dunno.... I've yet to hit anything with 5" guns!  :D



I hit and miss . . .  I had days when I lucked out and led everything just right killing several planes.  They are also great for bombarding the coastline.  

I think 5"s are a blast and I hope one day we have a nice DD with twin 5" mounts that can run inclose to shore to pound installations.  

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« Reply #12 on: August 02, 2003, 12:38:55 AM »
The big AA guns on our ships are of the 5"/38 Mk 12 family, pretty impressive weapons too. Each VT round weighs 60 lbs, with an 8 lbs HE warhead, and gets launched at 2,500 FPS. Drop a round within 30 feet of a target and it'll make any aircraft look like a sponge. Max range is listed as 18,000 yards (new gun) with an AA ceiling of 37,200 ft. Time of flight at the above velocity ends up looking like...


 Time of flight for AAC projectile with MV = 2,500 fps (762 mps):
5,000 yards (4,570 m):  8.0 seconds
10,000 yards (9,140 m):  22.0 seconds
15,000 yards (13,720 m):  43.0 seconds
17,270 yards (15,790 m):  68.8 seconds


AAC is short for Anti-Aircraft Common, which is not a VT round but the two are fairly close in shell shape. Toss in radar-controlled guns and you end up with a fairly accurate weapon, as long as the target holds still. Against ships, boats, or heavy bombers it'd be pretty devistating. Against a maneuvering fighter (non-kamikaze) the gun director would be lucky to get a shell in the same ocean, let alone within 50 feet of the target. Especially at long range. I agree that long-distance accuracy for these puppies needs to be looked at. The current AI accuracy level at long range is far too high to be believable, especially against maneuvering aircraft.


Specs "borrowed" from the http://www.warships1.com armory data page listing for the 5"/38 Mk12 gun.

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« Reply #13 on: August 02, 2003, 12:49:19 AM »
I don't mind the flak manned flak from the cv either.

It prevents the suicide attacks a little.

What about tracerless manned ack guns on the field.

wich make ur plane explode with one hit.

Tracers off in tour off duty should be banned.
As it focusses more on missions and realism.

I always fly with tracers on btw.

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« Reply #14 on: August 02, 2003, 01:20:21 AM »
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I don't mind the flak manned flak from the cv either.

It prevents the suicide attacks a little.

What about tracerless manned ack guns on the field.

wich make ur plane explode with one hit.

Tracers off in tour off duty should be banned.
As it focusses more on missions and realism.

I always fly with tracers on btw.


SO you're saying that tracers were always used?