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« on: September 17, 2000, 02:23:00 AM »
Situations dictate actions you take in air combat. Some of these situations you can alter, others are fixed by the game or other pilots. Below I've listed what I think, in my own opinion, is a typical reaction to a given situation. Additions are welcome, as are flames and any other commentary.

1): Enemy plane takes off from a field you are just ariving over. There's no one else present, just you and the guy barely off the ground. Your altitude is 6,000 feet, airspeed is 265mph cruising.
Dweeb: Cut throttle and vulch the pilot.
Ace: Wait until he's got a little more alt, and speed, before diving in. Salute him if I get the kill or he kills me.
Experten: Set-up a wide orbit and wait for him to be in position for a perfect bounce from above and out of the sun. Salute him if he kills me.

2): Enemy bomber is above your field. You've got less altitude than he does, but more speed. Several other pilots are present over the area, one in a position for a diving attack.
Dweeb: Try a dead-6 attack and cuss out the BUFF pilot for killing me. Then come to the BB and whine about BUFF guns being overmodeled.
Ace: Pull off to one side and accelerate past the BUFF. Contact other friendly pilots for help killing the BUFF. Man above dives in just before I turn around for a head-on attack. Salute both the BUFF driver and the pilot who helped me out, regardless of the outcome.
Experten: Do the same thing the Ace does, only I tell the friendly pilot to dive on my call. He agrees and as I turn around to come head-on I call and he dives in. The BUFF dies and I salute the friendly pilot for the help.

3): Vulching pilots are roaming over your field. It's been capped completely, with little hope of getting up and not being killed.
Dweeb: Try to takeoff 15 times, dying every time. Then I cuss out everyone for not helping, for vulching, and my own inability to think.
Ace: Switch to another field close-by and try to gain a little alt before engaging. Maybe call for help if there's too many enemy planes.
Experten: Call other pilots to join up at a field farther away from the one under attack. We get a plan together for a 3-way strike to break them up. Alt and speed advantage is on our side.


Now for some opinions:

Favorite tactics:
Dweeb: Vulching mostly, and spraying everything around me when I can't get a good shot.
Ace: Up and Under attacks, bounce, a few aerobatic maneuvers when I've got the speed. Plan things out if I've got time and a wingman.
Experten: Strictly bounce, Up and Under, and wingman strikes all at high speeds. Plans are done enroute to the battle with my wingman / wingmen. I prefer to think before I act, in order to have an advantage over the enemy.


Bad habbits:
Dweeb: I lose my temper every time I get shot down. People vulch me or insult me becaue I vulch, which gets me even more angry. They're the dweebs not me!
Ace: I sometimes lose my SA at bad moments. I get a little frustrated when some moron decides to not help others too. But at least I don't raise Merry Hell over the radio about it.
Experten: I have on occasion not given an enemy pilot enough time to prepare. This is my fault and I realize it. Comments about others I keep to myself, unless they're funny.

Thoughts on Vulching:
Dweeb: Great way to rack up a kill streak! Plus I don't have to worry about being shot at by him.
Ace: Vulching? As long as it doesn't happen to me I really don't care.
Experten: That is not a tactic, it's a simpleton's cheap kill! Only people that can't think and fly at the same time do it. People who vulch should have their scores docked to reflect it.


Thoughts on score:
Dweeb: Scores mean absolutely jack squat.
Alt-Dweeb: I want the biggest kill streak ever!
Ace: I check my score at least once a week to see what's going on. I can find out where I need to improve, and what I'm doing right.
Experten: Scores mean two things: One; how you are performing against the other pilots. Two; a record of your ability to think and act in combat. I don't believe your score is your only way to show off. That's where tactics come in.

Favorite aircraft:
Dweeb: Spit 9 and Zero. I don't need much speed most of the time since I can just out-turn him. If that doesn't work I'll just vulch him on takeoff or landing.
Ace: P-51, P-47, maybe a 109 G6 if I need a good dose of speed. In a way, I'm like the Experten; we both want to have an advantage before we fight.
Experten: Any aircraft with a good climb rate, and high speed. Fast turning helps in some situations, but speed can get you out of most any situation. Spitfires are nice for most any fight. 190s and such if you want to only boom and zoom.

Thoughts on guns:
Dweeb: Hispano and .50 cals rock!
Ace: Unlike the Dweeb, I can fire a burst and actually hit something. .50 cals are nice, so are the MG 151s for close-in work. I'll use a Tiffe on occasion for jabo stuff, since those Hispanos can do a number on anything.
Experten: Any weapon is fine with me. Accuracy, not firepower, is what will bring kills. You can kill with MG 17s just as you can kill with Mk-108s. The only difference is the time it takes to inflict major damage. If you can be patient you'll be able to kill using any weapon.

There you have it; my thoughts on this whole mess. Feel free to add your own in. Who knows, maybe this will end up on some site as a humor list!


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Offline bloom25

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« Reply #1 on: September 17, 2000, 03:25:00 AM »
After being killed:

Dweeb:  Respawns immediately without a second thought.

Ace:  Gets mad, makes excuses, or gives a <S>, but can't accept the fact that someone actually beat him. (Not always, but sure seems to happen a lot. )

Experten:  Always has the film viewer running and figures out why he was shot down.  Gives a sincere to the enemy pilot.  Learns from his mistakes.

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IMO being able to accept defeat and learn from one's mistakes is what makes a true Experten out of a good pilot.

I'm hoping that someday I'll figure that out myself.




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« Reply #2 on: September 17, 2000, 03:48:00 AM »
Goingover most of your points i'm a:

ACE-DWEEB-EXPERTEN-ALT-DWEEB  

oh and btw .. i see a pretty strong Luftwobble conspiracy rising it's ugly head in the last few points heheh

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« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2000, 04:01:00 AM »
1): Enemy plane takes off from a field you are just ariving over. There's no one else present, just you and the guy barely off the ground. Your altitude is 6,000 feet, airspeed is 265mph cruising.
Dweeb: Cut throttle and vulch the pilot.
Ace: Wait until he's got a little more alt, and speed, before diving in. Salute him if I get the kill or he kills me.
Experten: Set-up a wide orbit and wait for him to be in position for a perfect bounce from above and out of the sun. Salute him if he kills me.


Dweeb.

2): Enemy bomber is above your field. You've got less altitude than he does, but more speed. Several other pilots are present over the area, one in a position for a diving attack.
Dweeb: Try a dead-6 attack and cuss out the BUFF pilot for killing me. Then come to the BB and whine about BUFF guns being overmodeled.
Ace: Pull off to one side and accelerate past the BUFF. Contact other friendly pilots for help killing the BUFF. Man above dives in just before I turn around for a head-on attack. Salute both the BUFF driver and the pilot who helped me out, regardless of the outcome.
Experten: Do the same thing the Ace does, only I tell the friendly pilot to dive on my call. He agrees and as I turn around to come head-on I call and he dives in. The BUFF dies and I salute the friendly pilot for the help.


Dweeb...do best to get alt on bomber, attack from angle...die anyhow.  Smile, and think that someday I should learn how to successfully attack a buff with a Niki.  Someday never comes, but I continue to attack buffs and die anyhow.

3): Vulching pilots are roaming over your field. It's been capped completely, with little hope of getting up and not being killed.
Dweeb: Try to takeoff 15 times, dying every time. Then I cuss out everyone for not helping, for vulching, and my own inability to think.
Ace: Switch to another field close-by and try to gain a little alt before engaging. Maybe call for help if there's too many enemy planes.
Experten: Call other pilots to join up at a field farther away from the one under attack. We get a plan together for a 3-way strike to break them up. Alt and speed advantage is on our side.


Dweeb, minus the squeaking.  Launch and point the nose at anything within range to kill and/or disable it, by whatever means necessary including repeated HO's.  Die.  Repeat until:
A. Enemy is repelled
B. So many NME aircraft that taking off is impossible
C. Fighter hangars are down.
Option C can be superceeded if I get a wild hair up my prettythang and decide to up in a bomber.


Favorite tactics:
Dweeb: Vulching mostly, and spraying everything around me when I can't get a good shot.
Ace: Up and Under attacks, bounce, a few aerobatic maneuvers when I've got the speed. Plan things out if I've got time and a wingman.
Experten: Strictly bounce, Up and Under, and wingman strikes all at high speeds. Plans are done enroute to the battle with my wingman / wingmen. I prefer to think before I act, in order to have an advantage over the enemy.


Dweeb.  Find a fight, kill everything I see - love the turnfight.  Planes, chutes, sheep, anything that moves.  Possibly extend if diving into a large group of enemies, trying to pick off one.


Bad habbits:
Dweeb: I lose my temper every time I get shot down. People vulch me or insult me becaue I vulch, which gets me even more angry. They're the dweebs not me!
Ace: I sometimes lose my SA at bad moments. I get a little frustrated when some moron decides to not help others too. But at least I don't raise Merry Hell over the radio about it.
Experten: I have on occasion not given an enemy pilot enough time to prepare. This is my fault and I realize it. Comments about others I keep to myself, unless they're funny.


Dweeb? Ace?  People rarely insult me when I vulch, but are sometimes less than happy when I use their chutes for target practice. Now if only HT would make it so the sheep would explode when you shoot them!

Thoughts on Vulching:
Dweeb: Great way to rack up a kill streak! Plus I don't have to worry about being shot at by him.
Ace: Vulching? As long as it doesn't happen to me I really don't care.
Experten: That is not a tactic, it's a simpleton's cheap kill! Only people that can't think and fly at the same time do it. People who vulch should have their scores docked to reflect it.


Dweeb...Planes taking off, landing, or ditching are targets just like anything else that can be shot.

Thoughts on score:
Dweeb: Scores mean absolutely jack squat.
Alt-Dweeb: I want the biggest kill streak ever!
Ace: I check my score at least once a week to see what's going on. I can find out where I need to improve, and what I'm doing right.
Experten: Scores mean two things: One; how you are performing against the other pilots. Two; a record of your ability to think and act in combat. I don't believe your score is your only way to show off. That's where tactics come in.


Dweeb.

Favorite aircraft:
Dweeb: Spit 9 and Zero. I don't need much speed most of the time since I can just out-turn him. If that doesn't work I'll just vulch him on takeoff or landing.
Ace: P-51, P-47, maybe a 109 G6 if I need a good dose of speed. In a way, I'm like the Experten; we both want to have an advantage before we fight.
Experten: Any aircraft with a good climb rate, and high speed. Fast turning helps in some situations, but speed can get you out of most any situation. Spitfires are nice for most any fight. 190s and such if you want to only boom and zoom.


Dweeb...Niki.  Will turn fight with any spit, and co-E zekes.

Thoughts on guns:
Dweeb: Hispano and .50 cals rock!
Ace: Unlike the Dweeb, I can fire a burst and actually hit something. .50 cals are nice, so are the MG 151s for close-in work. I'll use a Tiffe on occasion for jabo stuff, since those Hispanos can do a number on anything.
Experten: Any weapon is fine with me. Accuracy, not firepower, is what will bring kills. You can kill with MG 17s just as you can kill with Mk-108s. The only difference is the time it takes to inflict major damage. If you can be patient you'll be able to kill using any weapon.


Fighting...Niki.  Jabo...Niki.  Tanks...Niki w/bombs.


There you have it; my thoughts on this whole mess. Feel free to add your own in. Who knows, maybe this will end up on some site as a humor list!

Dammit...I didn't have any problem with this, until I found out that I was just a big dweeb! Thanks a lot flakbait!  


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« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2000, 04:15:00 AM »
hi:

flakbait, you have to much time with nothing to do.    



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« Reply #5 on: September 17, 2000, 04:18:00 AM »
I'm in an RAF squad and I fly RAF planes mostly.  They all have Hispano cannon.  If you think I'm a dweeb you can kiss my grits.  

I don't think bouncing people from high altitude is a sign of skill.  It's a sign of cowardice.  

Scores?  LOL!!!  

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« Reply #6 on: September 17, 2000, 04:42:00 AM »
Bloom25,

Why didn't I think of that? Hmm.....

Wolf37,

Yep, I sat here and wrote it all out on the fly. No kidding!

 
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Oringinally posted by SOB:
...Now if only HT would make it so the sheep would explode when you shoot them!
ROFLMAO!!!


Funked,

Nice to know someone here still has a sense of humor!

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« Reply #7 on: September 17, 2000, 04:43:00 AM »
I am trying to roll from airstrip, when someone arrives and kills me.....  
IMHO I am the dweeb; great mistake rolling without scanning the sky in search of possible enemy (lack of SA).
More I think judgeing someone by the aircraft hes flying is somewhat haughty  


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« Reply #8 on: September 17, 2000, 10:52:00 AM »
Dweeb: Guy that flys a combat flight simulator and expects to live.

Ace: Guy that flys a combat flight simulator and expects to get kills.

Experten: LW pilots that do both.

 

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« Reply #9 on: September 17, 2000, 04:54:00 PM »
That's right, keep trying to knock me out of the king dweeb position with yer phony classification system.

I'm here to stay. All hail the dweeb of dweebs!  

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« Reply #10 on: September 17, 2000, 05:26:00 PM »
Great post!!!!  I have always wanted to know where I stood amongst other pilots in AH!!

Now I finally realize I am the ultimate dweeb!!

Thanks Flak!!!  U Da Man!!!

 
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« Reply #11 on: September 17, 2000, 05:52:00 PM »
 
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Originally posted by Swager:
Great post!!!!  I have always wanted to know where I stood amongst other pilots in AH!!

Now I finally realize I am the ultimate dweeb!!

Thanks Flak!!!  U Da Man!!!

 

This is my terf, bub. There is only one ultimate dweeb, and dats me, see?

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« Reply #12 on: September 17, 2000, 07:23:00 PM »
So basically, what your saying, is that there are NO experten in this sim?

If that is so, then I completely agree.  

Just wanted to add that I think that most everyone fits neatly into a mix of all three.

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« Reply #13 on: September 18, 2000, 12:08:00 AM »
Swager,

Glad you enjoyed it, but it looks like you'll have to fight Jigster for that position.


Uhh, Jig? Why don't you do something REALLY[/b] amazing; re-arrange your sock drawer. Guys in the locker room are complaining about the smell.


Mathman,

Damn, you guessed!   I agree, most people here are a mix of all three. But I've yet to run into a real-live Experten since Ypsilon in the BETA days.


Hangtime. You and your Luftwaffe conspiracy.  

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« Reply #14 on: September 18, 2000, 12:34:00 AM »
There is no Luftwaffe. Therefore; there is no Luftwaffe conspiracy.

However.. we are receiving wild unsubstantiated reports of armed organised activity supposedly perpetrated by "German" aircraft.

We will investigate these unfounded rumors and kill anybody remotely responsible when we find them.

 

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