Author Topic: Heil Intolerance (Read 11770 times)

Sandman · « **Reply #150 on:** July 31, 2003, 11:50:08 PM »

I think Toad is on track... Tolerance isn't about approval. You can disapprove all you want but the moment you start trying to pass legislation or speak out against something, that's no longer tolerance.

Dowding · « **Reply #151 on:** August 01, 2003, 01:00:30 AM »

Sabre - you said paedophilia. That's a very controversial subject and if you want to make play based on it, you have to accept all connotations under that broad umbrella.

In my country, the age of consent is 16 years old. Sex with anyone under that age is considered statutory rape since the minor cannot give consent. This is assuming the older party is 18+ I believe.

I doubt a chicken, a goat, a cow or a dog is able to give consent for anything. Your argument here, like paedophilia, is moot.

Incest is a completely different thing altogether. To have healthy offspring and limit the chances of deformity it is neccessary to outlaw certain types of close related incest (although cousins can marry if I'm not mistaken).

The comparison between polygamy and gay marriage is as valid as the comparison between polygamy and heterosexual marriage. Adultery is between consenting adults and is not a criminal offence.

Tolerance and approval are different things. But not allowing gays to have the same legal rights as a heterosexual couple is not tolerance; that is active discrimination based on a value judgement.

Leslie · « **Reply #152 on:** August 01, 2003, 04:00:31 AM »

Seems to me it has more to do with insurance and taxation breaks for married couples, than with the gay issue.

If this becomes acceptable and legal, you would be a fool not to get "married" to your room mate, even if you're not gay. And reap the financial rewards in the form of reduced insurance and taxes.

In other words...tax fraud and insurance fraud. Yeah, that's the ticket!!!!

Les

Hortlund · « **Reply #153 on:** August 01, 2003, 06:16:12 AM »

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Originally posted by Dowding
Sabre - you said paedophilia. That's a very controversial subject and if you want to make play based on it, you have to accept all connotations under that broad umbrella.

In my country, the age of consent is 16 years old. Sex with anyone under that age is considered statutory rape since the minor cannot give consent. This is assuming the older party is 18+ I believe.

So what? Laws can be changed...right? Isnt that what we are debating here in the gay-rights thread? That some laws should be changed to allow the gays to do whatever the hell it is they want to do? Suppose the law was changed and set the age of consent to 8 years old. Then suppose a 50 yr old guy had sex with an 8 yr old. It would be legal...would it be right?

And that's the point. Even if we change the laws to let gays do *whatever* it will still be wrong.

Hortlund · « **Reply #154 on:** August 01, 2003, 06:18:09 AM »

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Originally posted by Dowding
Incest is a completely different thing altogether. To have healthy offspring and limit the chances of deformity it is neccessary to outlaw certain types of close related incest (although cousins can marry if I'm not mistaken).

And what the hell is this? Should the government have a law with the sole motivation to prohibit "unhealty offspring"?

Yeah...now why does that ring a bell...

Maniac · « **Reply #155 on:** August 01, 2003, 06:26:46 AM »

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And what the hell is this? Should the government have a law with the sole motivation to prohibit "unhealty offspring"?

I tought that law allredy existed... Theres no law against incest? djust curious...

Hortlund · « **Reply #156 on:** August 01, 2003, 06:34:57 AM »

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I tought that law allredy existed... Theres no law against incest? djust curious...

In sweden I think the formulation is "with offspring"...I'll check...

Hortlund · « **Reply #157 on:** August 01, 2003, 06:36:12 AM »

BrB 6:6 both with offspring or sibling... so it is illegal now yes.

Dowding · « **Reply #158 on:** August 01, 2003, 06:37:57 AM »

You miss the point entirely Hortlund. You cannot compare homosexuality to paedophilia because the law concerning paedophilia revolves around consent. At what age can someone give consent to be part of sexual intercourse? At what age should the age of consent be set to protect the vulnerable being preyed upon by those that would take advantage of the impressionable? In the UK, this is 16 years old.

Two consenting adults of the same sex entering into a sexual relationship is nothing like some 50 year old raping an 8 year old girl, in terms of UK law. Maybe they do things differently in Sweden.

Trying to equate homosexual marriage to paedophilia is even more of a stretch.

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And what the hell is this? Should the government have a law with the sole motivation to prohibit "unhealty offspring"?

Yes. This is something humans learned a long time ago and has been locked into our pysche ever since. The chances of a child being born disabled is increased. Scientific fact, corroborated by experiment...

... unlike the assumption that a child adopted by a gay couple will turn out abnormal.

Hortlund · « **Reply #159 on:** August 01, 2003, 06:43:42 AM »

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Originally posted by Dowding
You miss the point entirely Hortlund. You cannot compare homosexuality to paedophilia because the law concerning paedophilia revolves around consent. At what age can someone give consent to be part of sexual intercourse? At what age should the age of consent be set to protect the vulnerable being preyed upon by those that would take advantage of the impressionable? In the UK, this is 16 years old.

Two consenting adults of the same sex entering into a sexual relationship is nothing like some 50 year old raping an 8 year old girl, in terms of UK law. Maybe they do things differently in Sweden.

Trying to equate homosexual marriage to paedophilia is even more of a stretch.

[/b] Wow..all that text just because you missed my point completely. Lets try it again.

Suppose the law was changed so the age when someone can give sexual consent was set to 8 yrs old. Then suppose a 50 yr old guy had sex with a consenting 8 yr old girl. It would be legal...would it be right?

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Yes. This is something humans learned a long time ago and has been locked into our pysche ever since. The chances of a child being born disabled is increased. Scientific fact, corroborated by experiment...

... unlike the assumption that a child adopted by a gay couple will turn out abnormal.

so in your opinion, as long as they dont have children, it should be ok for brothers and sisters to marry...? Since your only reason for opposing incest relations is the risk of unpure children I mean. Hey maybe they could adopt..I mean if the gays can..why not the incest-freaks?

straffo · « **Reply #160 on:** August 01, 2003, 06:51:47 AM »

some info : http://www.ageofconsent.com/ageofconsent.htm

Maniac · « **Reply #161 on:** August 01, 2003, 06:57:53 AM »

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Suppose the law was changed so the age when someone can give sexual consent was set to 8 yrs old. Then suppose a 50 yr old guy had sex with a consenting 8 yr old girl. It would be legal...would it be right?

Why is this example made by you even relevant in this discussion? COMPLETLY different things....

Hortlund · « **Reply #162 on:** August 01, 2003, 07:03:49 AM »

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Why is this example made by you even relevant in this discussion? COMPLETLY different things....

It is an example that just because the law might say that something is allowed, that doesnt make it right... see gay relations, marriages and adoptions...

Maniac · « **Reply #163 on:** August 01, 2003, 07:08:36 AM »

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It is an example that just because the law might say that something is allowed, that doesnt make it right... see gay relations, marriages and adoptions...

If an thing dont seem right to YOU, it might still be RIGHT to another person...

Its an matter of how you have been raised and what belives you have to start with..

Do we even have to tell you this stuff?

Can i have your defenition to why gay relations, marriages and adoptions are not "right"?

Gremlin · « **Reply #164 on:** August 01, 2003, 07:58:14 AM »

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Originally posted by GScholz
This thread was originally about gay-marriage and the US government under Bush contemplating making it a crime.

err, I thought it was about the pope condeming gay marriages?

To that point, hes the man who makes the rules for the catholic church, if you dont like those rules go join another religion whose rules you do like or just dont join any religion. Same as if hitech says you cant be a ho, skillless, vulchin dweeb anymore, then go fly bish:D

FWIW: I dont see any reason why gays shouldnt marry, but as for adopting kiddies, no way, jose!! Just an opinion!