Originally posted by Sabre
Okay, all those that support legalizing gay marriages, please check yes or no on extending it to the following types of relationships/behaviors as well:
a) Incestual: Brother marries sister, mother marries daughter, mother marriers daughter..etc
b) Pedophilia: Age of consent is, after all mostly a reflection of a particular societies moral values (by the way, moral doesn't automatically mean religious). So how about a 50-year old man wanting to legally marry a 12-year old girl?
c) Polygamy (been mentioned already, of course)
d) Adultery (also mentioned, and rather eloquently)
e) Beastiallity: Of course, you'd need to somehow prove the goat enjoys it.
Every arguement made in support of gay marrieage could be made about the above behaviors. Yet, many of you who support gay marriages find at least one of the above behaviors as abhorent and deviant.
You need to go back to the reasons marriage has been legally codified in almost every society/culture on earth. It isn't simply to make to people feel better. It stems primarily from the need to stablize the relationship of a man and woman, in order to insure the children they bring into the world are taken care of. I also think it was influenced by factors associated with the differences in roles men and woman played when societies were young (i.e. primary provider vs. child-bearing/rearing roles). Religion also played a part, but the idea of marriage predates most if not all organized religions.
This thread got out of control quick, but this post hit the nail on the head, IMO.
Personally, I disagree with everything even remotely associated with 3 dollar bills.
I dont want them around me, I dont want them around my children (If I end up having any), and I dont want them marching in Times Square obstructing traffic.
This doesnt make me (or anyone else of the same mindset) intolerant at all. If I was intolerent, I would be making an active effort to obstruct their lifestyle. Since I am only passively avoiding contact, I dont see the harm I am causing them. You leave me alone, I leave you alone, everyones happy - right?
The problem with the whole 'gay' movement is that (I think) they want to be accepted as normal. This will never happen because theyre, quite frankly, not.
When it comes to children, its a little more important, IMO. If two guys want to get together and play doctor, fine with me, close the windows and drop the shades - have at it.
But when two guys or two gals get the idea that they'd like a child, I would be firmly opposed to gay adoption.
On the surface, a child needs input from both a male and a female roll model. What kind of 'values' (I know that word will be attacked) are a gay couple teaching a child?
They are rasing a child in an abnormal environment and then when he reaches schooling age, what is he faced with? A whole new world where his vision of normalicy, Daddy and Daddy, is not only completely abnormal, but cause for harrassment.
Can you imagine the shock a child would be faced with upon learning that past 4-5 years of his conscience life before 1st grade were viewed from behind a stained glass window? It would shake the foundations of just about everything else. His trust in his 'parents,' his impressions of others - he would be questioning his own beliefs and, up until this point, known truths.
This is the kind of stuff that puts children into therapy. They become hate filled, confused, and develop serious psychological problems.
Gay adoption is a bag fat No in my book because now two abnormal people are exposing their behavior to a child that doesnt have a say one way or the other.
I suppose my bottom line is that Im sick and tired of seeing the shift in our society from one with no tolerance for anything to one with tolerance for everything. This is compounded by the fact that its rammed down my throat.
I know who I like and who I dont like. I dont associate with criminals, low lifes, homeless people, white trash, black trash, latino trash, gang members, transsexuals, transvestites, or homosexuals.
I dont need the real life equivalent of Eric Cartman's mother telling me I should be accepting of everyone. Im not.
The only difference between me and someone who opposes my viewpoint is that I have a line drawn in the sand. On one side is marked 'Right' and on the other 'Wrong.'
Those of you (The usual suspects) resorting to name calling (bigot, intolerant, stupid, redneck, racist, etc, etc) never drew that line. In your mind, and what you would like others to believe, you think that you are being tolerant. You are accepting of everyone and everything (except opinions that differ from yours, apprently) and are educated, culured, enlightened, and righteous because of it.
In reality, however, because you never drew that line seperating right and wrong, its difficult to classify anything as wrong... its just 'different' to you, and you label the rest of us 'homophobes' because we cant be accepting of 'differences.'
We dont look at them as 'different.' We see them as wrong, and we'd really appreciate it if you would practice a little bit of what you preach and be a little more 'tolerant' of our viewpoint.
EDIT: Thanks for the sig material, SOB - truely a classic line there.
