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« Reply #90 on: July 31, 2003, 03:57:45 PM »
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fist off I never judged HIM to be imoral.  just aknowleging that hparicipates in an activity that is imoral.

second we already have a standard law making it illeagal for someone to kick his bellybutton so he's covered.  if that legal decision  wont protect him what makes you think this one would.

and btw - not only he protected by the standard laws against assault but he also has special protection most of us don't. whereas someone who kicked his bellybutton would get much more time than an attacker who comitted the same crime against me, his being a hate crime would get extra sentencing where my guy would probably be out by noon tomorow.


Okay, so he is a heck of nice guy...too bad he will rot in eternal damnation?  lol  

Laws define the consequence of beating anyone up, it is the cause we are talking about.  That is why the laws you refer to in your last paragraph have been inacted.  They are there to try and protect gays from beatings merely because they are gay.  In your example above what exactly did you do to deserve the bellybutton kicking you got?
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« Reply #91 on: July 31, 2003, 03:57:57 PM »
That's not what I meant FD. I was not talking about the sexuality of the child - I was talking about the social acceptance of the child among its peer group, given that the child would have 'two dads' or 'two mums'. Can you imagine the bullying that would occur?

But then maybe midnight target is right and that it will be a barrier overcome with time.
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« Reply #92 on: July 31, 2003, 03:58:40 PM »
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People are using the same argument against gay marriage that was used a few years back about mixed race marriages. "The kids will never have a chance!" "They'll be ostracised" "They'll be teased".......


Or maybe other people will start to learn that it's not such a big deal.


and many of those kids where teased beat'n and life was much harder.  I had front row seats eith my sisters youngest son, and life wasn''t easy for him.  he's a great kid (well, man now actually) but he deffinatly has some issues with his identity that aren't exactly healthy (and I sure wish he could find some way to be comfortable with himself)

but the difference is AFAIK inter ratial marriage is not considered an imoral act.  very few people would ever try to say it is (I've heard some say they found it in the bible somewhere, though I'm fairly familiar with the bible and am unaware of the passage they refer to.  I also seriously doubt the literacy of the ones who where trying to sell this point of view).  homosexuality has been considered wrong thoughout time in almost every society (some are more tolorant than others but none I'm aware of never actually condoned or aknowleded it)
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« Reply #93 on: July 31, 2003, 04:01:12 PM »
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but the difference is AFAIK inter ratial marriage is not considered an imoral act.


If you go back to the sixties in America's south, the merest hint of a inter-racial relationship would get the black man lynched and people certainly viewed it as immoral (not the lynching part, strangely).
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« Reply #94 on: July 31, 2003, 04:06:41 PM »
true, but that was a relitivly small area of the world.  and that is also an example of imorality (bigotry and racism) being gov't sanctioned and excpted as normal by society.  if society in general and the southern gov't in particular had refused to perpetuate this imoral activity maybe some of those people could have been saved, or at the very least some sort of justice could have activly been persued against their attackers

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« Reply #95 on: July 31, 2003, 04:06:45 PM »
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Anyone who thinks that christianity is normal and should be accepted as such, leaves me wondering what on earth justifies that belief.


I don't read anything about christianity in Rude's post.  Maybe he's Jewish...

Such great philosopher's on this thread...

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« Reply #96 on: July 31, 2003, 04:11:16 PM »
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homosexuality has been considered wrong thoughout time in almost every society (some are more tolorant than others but none I'm aware of never actually condoned or aknowleded it)


So if we could find a successful society that condoned or accepted it..... well then your point would be nullified wouldn't it?

You see, there was this guy called Alexander the Great. He conquered the world, set up a thriving society, honored science and the arts ... and he was queer as a 3 dollar bill.

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« Reply #97 on: July 31, 2003, 04:18:30 PM »
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I don't read anything about christianity in Rude's post.  Maybe he's Jewish...

Such great philosopher's on this thread...

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Uh, he mentioned the Bible.

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« Reply #98 on: July 31, 2003, 04:21:28 PM »
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So if we could find a successful society that condoned or accepted it..... well then your point would be nullified wouldn't it?

You see, there was this guy called Alexander the Great. He conquered the world, set up a thriving society, honored science and the arts ... and he was queer as a 3 dollar bill.


Isaac Newton, Einstein, many many famous artists and painters... the Roman Empire... etc.
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« Reply #99 on: July 31, 2003, 04:22:05 PM »
Okay, all those that support legalizing gay marriages, please check yes or no on extending it to the following types of relationships/behaviors as well:

a) Incestual: Brother marries sister, mother marries daughter, mother marriers daughter..etc

b) Pedophilia: Age of consent is, after all mostly a reflection of a particular societies moral values (by the way, moral doesn't automatically mean religious).  So how about a 50-year old man wanting to legally marry a 12-year old girl?

c) Polygamy (been mentioned already, of course)

d) Adultery (also mentioned, and rather eloquently)

e) Beastiallity: Of course, you'd need to somehow prove the goat enjoys it.

Every arguement made in support of gay marrieage could be made about the above behaviors.  Yet, many of you who support gay marriages find at least one of the above behaviors as abhorent and deviant.

You need to go back to the reasons marriage has been legally codified in almost every society/culture on earth.  It isn't simply to make to people feel better.  It stems primarily from the need to stablize the relationship of a man and woman, in order to insure the children they bring into the world are taken care of.  I also think it was influenced by factors associated with the differences in roles men and woman played when societies were young (i.e. primary provider vs. child-bearing/rearing roles).  Religion also played a part, but the idea of marriage predates most if not all organized religions.
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« Reply #100 on: July 31, 2003, 04:23:43 PM »
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You see, there was this guy called Alexander the Great. He conquered the world, set up a thriving society, honored science and the arts ... and he was queer as a 3 dollar bill.


ROFL

MT for crying out loud, you sure have a way of stating theories and guesswork as if it was the truth.  

But by all means, lets see your evidence...

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« Reply #101 on: July 31, 2003, 04:26:01 PM »
You know, I was thinking about this during my drive home...

The Greek city-state of Sparta encouraged homsexuality amongst it's military. Were these all born homosexual, or was it a learned behavior? Did they choose to be gay, or was there some "gay gene" in the Spartan genetic code?

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« Reply #102 on: July 31, 2003, 04:30:29 PM »
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A very close friend of my family is a very well respected Doctor who is the head of Pediatrics at a large Hospital in the US.

When my grandfather was ill he helped to save his life...twice.

My father went into a Hepatitis coma a few years later.  The doctors here almost killed him by leaving his IV drips on full for a long period of time.  Once again our doctor friend came to the rescue and told my step mother what she needed to do after she paniced and called him.

The man has helped and litterally saved thousands of children from abusive homes and has donated hundreds of thousands of dollars to help stamp out child abuse.  He is the author of a number of books on the subject.

He is also gay.

You homo-phobes out there should stop and think about that for a few minutes.


Show me where I said a gay person could do no good or contribute to society?

That's not the point....is it right that two men sleep together or is there no right or wrong? Perversion cool with everyone....is it all free? Should our children be encouraged to accept whatever lifstyle a person chooses for themselves, irregardless of the harm it brings to a society?

As to being a homophobe....your kidding yourself....mine is just an observation and a sharing of my beliefs....if you want to condone and encourage homosexuality, your free to do so....I just believe it is harmful to encourage sin of any kind.

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« Reply #103 on: July 31, 2003, 04:33:02 PM »
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yeah, i've read bible. As far as i'm conserned it ranks right up there with Snow White and Easter Bunny, little bit more elaborate, that's all.

And no, it's not a matter of spirit, it's a matter of naivity as far as i'm conserned.


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« Reply #104 on: July 31, 2003, 04:34:02 PM »
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You know, I was thinking about this during my drive home...

The Greek city-state of Sparta encouraged homsexuality amongst it's military. Were these all born homosexual, or was it a learned behavior? Did they choose to be gay, or was there some "gay gene" in the Spartan genetic code?


You were thinking about gay sex on your drive home?

I knew it.