M1 Carbine

[hyena426]

m1 grand and m1 both great guns,,,,m1 grand bigger round preferred for its take down power,,,m1 carbine wanted for how light it is,,,,if ya ever pick up a m1 carbine you will be amazed,,,it allmost feals like a beebee gun,,lol some gi's loved the carbine over the m1,,and same can be said about the m1 thumb,,,,plus the m1 cabine had clips instead of strip clips,,,,they both had there good and bads

[Bluedog]

I used to use a .30 M1 carbine for shooting feral pigs in heavy scrub.
Loses all accuracy and killing/knockdown power past about 150 yds (well, not ALL, but after 150~200yds, you are better off saving the round), but for what I was using it for, it was unbeatable.
Simple, easy to maintain and clean, rapid and effective follow up shots, and plenty of knockdown power at short range......all in all, a beautiful little weapon.
We Aussies lost the right to own or use any semi auto longarms after the Port Arthur massacre a few years back and I had to hand it, and several other weapons in to be destroyed.
The fact that I was compensated for more than 5 times the true market value of the weapons I handed in did little to make it any easier.
As a side note, the Aust. Govt. have now banned private ownership of handguns allso.
Anyone want a continent? theres only about 20 million of us here, and the heaviest armament the people own would be a steak knife or an axe.

PS  never had any trouble at all with the magazines, in fact they were pretty good comparitively speaking.

[Slash27]

I used to use a .30 M1 carbine for shooting feral pigs in heavy scrub.  I would have never tried that, I always figured it wouldnt knock them down. Hell, Im afraid to use my AR or AK on a pig. I use my M-14 or G3 for them.  Pigs scare me:D   Thanks for the info and sorry you lost your fire arms

[Tarmac]

Australia, land of the outback and the Crocodile Hunter, has been pussified?  Oh my, this is worse than I thought.

Maybe I'm being a redneck American, but wouldn't all your outback-livin' people lobby pretty hard to keep their weapons?  Seems like there'd be a significant portion of the population that actually has a use for them.

[davidpt40]

And I thought it was bad that the U.S. was phasing out automatic weapons!  

So Australians cannot own any weapons?  Even shotguns?

[Tarmac]

Looks to me like they lost semi-autos and handguns.

Pump shotguns and bolt-action rifles are (I hope) still ok.  

That's how I read it, at least.

[Slash27]

I thought they lost it all, even the target pistols and rifles. Wasnt there a story on how some olypmic competition shooters couldnt practice in Britain or Australia?

[_Schadenfreude_]

It was in the UK that all weapons were banned - some shotgun's and rifle ownership is still allowed - mostly for farm use/culling.

Currently I think the minimum term for illegal possession of a firearm is 5 years.

An no we're not too worried about being invaded by anyone.

I used to own a Mossberg 8 shot pump, a CZ 75 9mm and a Galil 5.56mm Assault Rifle - not having guns and not having the need to have guns makes for a safer more civilized society.

[lazs2]

my sympathies blue... I allways thought the aussies were too rugged and individualistic to go for that womanly hand wringing crap.  Heard your crime rate shot up too.

M1 and M14 are not the same... M1 uses a 110 grain slug at abut 1900 fps for a muzzel energy around 500.   M14 uses a 3.08 round of 150 grains at around 2500 fps.  M14 is a modified M1 Garrand not an enlarged M1 carbine.
lazs

[rogwar]

Originally posted by Slash27
I used to use a .30 M1 carbine for shooting feral pigs in heavy scrub.  I would have never tried that, I always figured it wouldnt knock them down. Hell, Im afraid to use my AR or AK on a pig. I use my M-14 or G3 for them.  Pigs scare me:D   Thanks for the info and sorry you lost your fire arms

I want to go after a pig this year with my CVA Kentucky Long Rifle!

But I will have a back up 44 just in case

[lord dolf vader]

m14 and m1 garand both use 3.08 caliber rounds of about the same weight.

my understanding of it is 3.08 is update of 30/06 (30caliber/usgoverment1906) to chamber better in autoloading rifles (somthing the30/06 was never designed to do) useing the same exact bullet diam and weight for almost exactly the same balistics. just a tougher thicker casing on the same bullet. slightly more propelent capacity in the .308.

all from memory get your books out.

[Mini D]

Most Garands I've fired have been 30/06.  And the case is very different than a .308.  30/06 definately having the larger of the two cases.

MiniD

[BUG_EAF322]

I know the Fal a weapon wich i used in the army was easily made automatic.

Just remove 1 part.

[Dune]

.30 Carbine:
Length:
 42.50 mm (1.673 in)
 
Weigth:
 12.8 g (198 gr)
 
Case:
 
Length:
 32.84 mm (1.293 in)
 
Weigth:
 4.6 g (71 gr)
 
Material:
 Brass
 

Bullet:
 
Length:
 17.50 mm (0.689 in)
 
Weigth:
 7.1 g (110 gr)
 
Diameter:
 7.82 mm (.308 in)

.30-06
Bullet Diameter
0.308

Case Length
 2.494

Rim Diameter
 0.473

Total Length
 3.34

.308 Winchester (7.62x39)

Bullet Diameter
0.308

Case Length
 2.015
 
Total Length
 2.810

All three use the same diamter bullet, however they are very different calibers.  Using a 180 grain bullet, the .30-06 will average around 2750 FPS, while the .308 will average around 2400 FPS using the same weight bullet.

M1 Garands were all issued in .30-06 and the M14 was .308.  Both different from the semi-auto M1 Carbine and its full-auto version, the M2 Carbine.

[Mini D]

I'll post some 30/06 vs .308 pics tonight.  Its hard to tell when they are scaled different.  I'll also check and see how much different a .30 is from a 30/30 (seems they were pretty close in size if I recall) and maybe throw a 30/30 round in for comparison too.

Hehehe... for grins I'll throw a .50 and 7mm STW in there too.

MiniD