Author Topic: Request for p51c (Read 793 times)

Citabria · « **on:** August 03, 2003, 03:54:13 PM »

p51c was the faster and lighter than the p51d by a few miles an hour and would offer me and other players an interesting compromise between firepower and visibilty vs speed and less weight with these two aircraft.

the p51c unlike the b was fast at low altitude as it had the same engine as the d but less drag without the bubble canopy and would see much more use in the arena than the b as it could be used in formation with the d and not lag behind below 25k where the fighting happens. I'm sure the mustang squads would find it a welcome addition to their stable.

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with ah2 coming out would it be cost and time effective to take the 3d model of the b and the flight model of the b and add the engine model of the d? and have a unique 3rd version of the p51 in ah that will get used often due to its superior performance at the cost of armament and visibility?

Citabria · « **Reply #1 on:** August 03, 2003, 03:57:03 PM »

a nice shiny silver razorback mustang would be quite nice

ra · « **Reply #2 on:** August 03, 2003, 05:20:37 PM »

P-51C and P-51B are the same.

Squire · « **Reply #3 on:** August 03, 2003, 05:29:20 PM »

The difference was the P-51C was built at North American's plant in Dallas Texas.

Its ez to think they were different sub models however, and why they bothered with a "C" designation is beyond me, maybe it had to do with accounting procedures.

BenDover · « **Reply #4 on:** August 03, 2003, 05:57:02 PM »

didn't it have cannons?

or was that the A model?

Citabria · « **Reply #5 on:** August 03, 2003, 08:18:27 PM »

p51c had same engine supercharger gearing as p51 d

Citabria · « **Reply #6 on:** August 03, 2003, 08:19:59 PM »

p51c was faster climbed better flew further than p51d but had less visibility and guns than the d.

seems like it would be an interesting addition for mustang dweebs. i bet they would actually use it too.

http://www-rcf.usc.edu/~nagle/P51perf.html

Maximum Speed
________ P-51A1__ P-51B2 _P-51C 3_P-51D4
At _5000ft 340 MPH 388 MPH 395 MPH 395 MPH
At 10000ft 360 MPH 406 MPH 417 MPH 416 MPH
At 20000ft 390 MPH 427 MPH 426 MPH 424 MPH
At 25000ft N/A____ 430 MPH 439 MPH 437 MPH
At 30000ft N/A ____440 MPH 435 MPH N/A

Time-to-Altitude Performance
____________P-51A _____P-51B _____P-51C ____P-51D___
Time to 5000ft 2.2 minutes 1.8 minutes 1.6 minutes 1.7 minutes
Time to 10000ft 4.4 minutes 3.6 minutes 3.1 minutes 3.3 minutes
Time to 20000ft 9.1 minutes 7.0 minutes 6.9 minutes 7.3 minutes

1980 p51b produced,

1750 p51c produced

http://www.icon.co.za/~pauljnr/specs1.htm

Ike 2K# · « **Reply #7 on:** August 03, 2003, 08:47:07 PM »

P-51C shoould be easy to develop. Just copy the P-51B dimentions, change or alter the flight characteristics for 51C, and add 4 hizzuka (hispano) cannons.

Shane · « **Reply #8 on:** August 03, 2003, 08:59:52 PM »

from the stats/website cit linked to, the p-51c is hardly worth the effort to model as it's almost comparable to the p-51d... i mean 1-2mph difference at listed alts, and less firepower/visibility?

Ike 2K# · « **Reply #9 on:** August 03, 2003, 09:18:57 PM »

i think the "hizzuka" load for 51C would not be like the "Chog", i think it would be somewhere around 400 to 360 rds

MiloMorai · « **Reply #10 on:** August 03, 2003, 09:38:55 PM »

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Originally posted by Squire
The difference was the P-51C was built at North American's plant in Dallas Texas.

Its ez to think they were different sub models however, and why they bothered with a "C" designation is beyond me, maybe it had to do with accounting procedures.

The P-51K was a 'D' built in Dallas.

The first P-51B flew on May 5, 1943, and the first P-51C flew on August 5 of that year. Inglewood built 1988 P-51Bs and Dallas built 1750 P-51Cs.

With the introduction of the P-51C-5-NT onto the Dallas production line and the P-51B-15-NA in the Inglewood production line, the Packard V-1560-7 engine was adopted as standard. It offered 1450 hp for take off and a war emergency rating of 1695 hp at 10,300 feet. Maximum speed at 20,000 feet was reduced from 440 to 435 mph, but increased from 430 to 439 mph at 25,000 feet. 398 P-51B-10-NAs, 390 P-51B-15-NAs, and 1350 P-51C-10-NTs were built, all powered by the V-1650-7 engine.

All preceeding dash numbers of the B/C used V-1650-3 engines.

For more info on the P-51 for those that don't believe what Squire said:

http://home.att.net/~jbaugher1/p51.html

Urchin · « **Reply #11 on:** August 03, 2003, 09:39:35 PM »

P-51C didn't HAVE Hizookas. One of the little podunk British varients had 4, I think it was the Mustang IA.

Citabria · « **Reply #12 on:** August 06, 2003, 10:45:19 AM »

well whatever it is i want a late model p51b or p51c with the same low altitude top speed as the p51d.

thanks

Kevin14 · « **Reply #13 on:** August 07, 2003, 11:18:42 AM »

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Originally posted by MiloMorai
The P-51K was a 'D' built in Dallas....

Weren't the H's and K's the same aircraft, not the D's and K's?

Vermillion · « **Reply #14 on:** August 07, 2003, 11:26:03 AM »

No Kevin, Milo has it right

The "H" model was the late war, lightweight version of the Mustang that was never put into production. Roughly equivalent to the P-47M/N.