Author Topic: I'm bored so... Plane or Pilot? (Read 2636 times)

Shane · « **Reply #30 on:** August 04, 2003, 12:25:13 PM »

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Originally posted by Zanth
The plane - visit CT for a few setups where the plane type is regulated and you will see.

bzzzzzttttt i'll have to agree with eagler on this, in the CT it's very rarely totally lopsided in terms of matchups... and it boils down, discounting #'s, to the guy behind the stick.

Shane · « **Reply #31 on:** August 04, 2003, 12:27:56 PM »

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Originally posted by SlapShot
Why is it that people are so afraid to mix it up ? Yes the outcome could be that you die (virtually) but at least you got into a fight and maybe you learned something from the fight ... win or lose.
If more pilots in the MA had a set of balls, things would not be so BORING most of the time.

but, but..... there's a war on, son!! this is no time to be hotdogging!!

ramzey · « **Reply #32 on:** August 04, 2003, 12:35:33 PM »

lol , you are all wrong

amno load!!!

ramzey

aztec · « **Reply #33 on:** August 04, 2003, 12:45:42 PM »

Damn...you are bored Urchin.

SLO · « **Reply #34 on:** August 04, 2003, 12:49:28 PM »

plane or pilot......

none....

its the opportunity that presents itself that counts.....

Saurdaukar · « **Reply #35 on:** August 04, 2003, 12:53:45 PM »

Pilot.

Although some planes breed success with mistake ridden flying.

SlapShot · « **Reply #36 on:** August 04, 2003, 01:07:50 PM »

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Originally posted by Shane
but, but..... there's a war on, son!! this is no time to be hotdogging!!

LOL ... Where have you been hiding ?!?!?!?!?

Zanth · « **Reply #37 on:** August 04, 2003, 01:21:07 PM »

If someone is in an IL2 and a La7 comes along, God himself could be at the controls but that LA7 is likely going to kill the IL2. Unless the LA7 it a complete idiot (granted there is a 50/50 chance of that).

So of course it is the plane.

beet1e · « **Reply #38 on:** August 04, 2003, 01:23:27 PM »

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Originally posted by Zanth
Unless the LA7 it a complete idiot (granted there is a 50/50 chance of that).

ROFL!

Thanks for that! Made my whole day.

:D:D

humble · « **Reply #39 on:** August 04, 2003, 01:38:22 PM »

Actually you forgot the most important...numbers.

I'll fight anyone in any plane 1 vs 1 and do OK (not win but have a fun fight) but in the MA numbers are 75% of the equation. It's the 3rd or 4th guy in that usually kills me. That being said there are certainly exceptions like Fester Lev shane Drex etc that seem to consistantly survive and win against the numbers. But thats the exception not the rule.

The plane is second since you cant beat a superior plane flown to its strengths from an equal position. A hurricane will never beat a well flown tempest for example.

Now a superior pilot can often beat a superior plane IF the "poor" pilot is aggresive.

The last part of the equation is initial position/advantage...if the superior pilot has E/position he can usually kill the superior plane before it can use its strengths to escape.

S0

Numbers 75%
Plane 20%
Pilot 4%
Luck 1%

Hooligan · « **Reply #40 on:** August 04, 2003, 01:53:38 PM »

With inexperienced pilots:

99% plane, 1% pilot

With very very good pilots:

10% plane, 90% pilot.

A small caveat for the 2nd condition. In any 2 unequal aircraft matches, both aircraft usually have some advantage over the other which can be exploited (i.e. one is faster and the other turns better). In a few cases (such as an La-7 vs a corsair) the better aircraft has almost no exploitable weaknesses against a given opponent. That kind of matchup reduces the value of pilot skill.

Look at the kill stats for tour 40 for a player named Urchin. If the thread author's premise was correct, those kill stats could not exist.

Hooligan

Mathman · « **Reply #41 on:** August 04, 2003, 01:56:55 PM »

It all depends on the relative performance of the planes involved. The more of a performance advantage a plane has, it allows its pilot a chance to recover from a mistake. As the sherlocks in this thread have pointed out, an La-7 vs an Il-2 (or Goon, or Stuka, or Val, etc.) is going to result in an Il-2 digging a hole in the ground.

The closer the performance between the planes, the more pilot skill comes into play. Pee Fiddy Run vs. El Gay Seben will be a closer fight and the better pilot should win, regardless of which plane they are in.

There is no hard and fast ratio that can be determined. As a graph, it would look something like this:

SOB · « **Reply #42 on:** August 04, 2003, 02:06:26 PM »

Math Nerd! Math Nerd! Math Nerd!

Mathman · « **Reply #43 on:** August 04, 2003, 02:24:38 PM »

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Originally posted by SOB
Math Nerd! Math Nerd! Math Nerd!

Oh crap, did I just have one of those "mental episodes" again?

drink more alcohol before visiting the boards

Ack-Ack · « **Reply #44 on:** August 04, 2003, 03:36:14 PM »

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Originally posted by gofaster
If that were true, the Ki-61 would be flown as much as the Spitfire IX.

Just because a plane gets flown more than another plane doesn't automatically mean the plane is the deciding factor in shooting down another plane. From your post in another thread, you posted an example of a tactic you use against Spitfires in the Ki-61. From that post, it clearly shows that while in an inferior plane, you had the advantage because you were the better pilot.

The Spitfire Mk IX and later models are pretty much better planes than the P-38 but yet I still average 5-1 kill ratio over them. If the main factor that decides the outcome of a fight is the plane, I'd have a 1-5 kill average instead.

Ack-Ack