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Offline Inferno

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« Reply #15 on: August 05, 2003, 02:31:04 PM »
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England would have used it on Germany, the USSR, and the USA.


England would have used it on the USA?

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« Reply #16 on: August 05, 2003, 03:35:11 PM »
I remember when the Enola Gay was put on display in the Smithsonian. the first day it was defaced by some ashhole...


Some people just need an excuse to hate this country, no mater how lame the excuse is.  


Hippies really do SUCK!!
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« Reply #17 on: August 05, 2003, 03:56:50 PM »
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Makes you wonder where these people get their opinion.


Most people form their opinion, rather than get it from somewhere.
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« Reply #18 on: August 05, 2003, 04:08:55 PM »
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 Makes you wonder where these people get their opinion.  :rolleyes:



Usually from their arnold.
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« Reply #19 on: August 05, 2003, 04:09:49 PM »
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Most people form their opinion, rather than get it from somewhere.


And if we wanted your opinion, we'd give it to ya! :D
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« Reply #20 on: August 05, 2003, 04:10:31 PM »
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England would have used it on the USA?

 


Sure, in 1812...
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« Reply #21 on: August 05, 2003, 04:17:41 PM »
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My father told me once that the correct decision in a troubling situation is more often times the hardest choice to make.  Its what separates the leaders from the pack.  If you go with the easy decision more often than not, its usually the wrong one.  One has to wonder what Truman thought all those nights when, in the end, it was his decision to drop the bomb.  As for having an example on an abandonded island I think we all know what the Japanese military would have said.  In the end its all about one thing; which act will save more lives.  And as Tarmac pointed out the killing of civilians in strategic bombing had been going on for years before Hiro and Naga.  

In a class I had this Spring, my economics teacher (an expatriated Iranian with a Doctorate in Economics and a comlpete bleeding heart liberal) told me, rather passinately, that dropping the atomic bombs were morally wrong and the US has to accept the result of that decision.  I agreed and then pointed out, using books and other documents, what the cost of Operation Olympic would have been in human lives both military and civilian and he just sat there staring.  I said "Yes, you are the numbers expert, you do the math and tell what makes more 'economic' sense."  He then told me he had never really researched the facts behind the bombings and the expected casualties of both sides for the invasion.  Makes you wonder where these people get their opinion.  :rolleyes:


Well said Diablo.

About your professor's comment.  At least he admitted he hadn't researched the facts, like you have.  He probably learned something that day.  I bet you got a A in the class.


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« Reply #22 on: August 05, 2003, 04:50:05 PM »
Concerning the morality of using the bomb.  Had it not been used at the time, there is a very good possibility some of us may have not been born to be posting here today.

It ended a long, bitter war with an extremely dangerous and deadly enemy.  It turned out to be the right thing to do in the end, for BOTH sides.

I do not believe the Japanese military would have surrendered, except under extraordinary circumstances.



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« Reply #23 on: August 05, 2003, 08:26:34 PM »
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Most people form their opinion, rather than get it from somewhere.


He couldn't quote me anything to support his view.  He didn't have an answer to the hard questions I asked him.  In the end I deduced that his opinion was given to him by someone he listened to.  Thus, he 'got' his opinion from someone.
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« Reply #24 on: August 05, 2003, 08:40:56 PM »
Lets not forget Japan committed many attrocious war crimes, bombing Chinese civilians among them.

War is war. When it boils down to survival there are no rules.
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« Reply #25 on: August 05, 2003, 08:55:23 PM »
Damn I sure wish the Axis had won WW2 outright, or even Stalin somehow, that way we would have been spared the horrors of th great satan USA....  :rolleyes:
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« Reply #26 on: August 05, 2003, 09:25:46 PM »
Rip,  I doubt that I can manage a trip down to Kalifornia any time soon.  Thanks for asking though, Im sure you would have enjoyed my company ;)
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« Reply #27 on: August 05, 2003, 10:41:37 PM »
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Concerning the morality of using the bomb.  Had it not been used at the time, there is a very good possibility some of us may have not been born to be posting here today.

It ended a long, bitter war with an extremely dangerous and deadly enemy.  It turned out to be the right thing to do in the end, for BOTH sides.

I do not believe the Japanese military would have surrendered, except under extraordinary circumstances.



Les


I completely agree.

The US used the atomic bombs to end the war and save many lives on both sides.
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« Reply #28 on: August 06, 2003, 12:26:23 AM »
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England would have used it on the USA?

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Doh! That's what I get for rushing a post in before work.  
Edited it. Thanks :)
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« Reply #29 on: August 06, 2003, 06:29:43 AM »
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Oh, Hippies Suck.


I need a Hippie girlfriend....
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