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Offline Keez

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« on: November 27, 2001, 01:23:00 PM »
I hear quite some complaining about the "Awac" radar system. I agree that the radar seems somewhat overdone, but there has to be a compromise between gameplay and realism. Now I thought that maybe we could combine what we have now with some historical data...

During the battle of Brittain, the Brits had a war room with a big map on a table, and pretty ladies who were moving small planes over that map, indicating where friendly and enemy fighters were. What if we had something like this in the maproom or in the tower? When still on the ground it will be realtime, up to date. But when you step into a plane, you will get a map with all the last-known aircraft locations.

Then when airborne, your map will get an update every 5-10-15 minutes or whatever you think would work. This simulates the aircontrol giving you new enemy aircraft locations. Like a luftwaffe pilot said: "When we arrived over England, our briefings were three hours old. Theirs (the RAF) were three minutes old."

This way it may also be possible to fool the enemy, by making direction changes from time to time. But you can take it one step further: once an enemy aircraft has been identified, or a plane has been as close as 4K from it, the plane type will now appear on the map. So when I get a map update and I see that three planes have been reported in my sector, I fly to the location where I think they will be when I get there. Their aircraft are still marked as "unknown". I see them, zoom by and see that it are two B17's and a Pony. Now with the next update, could be in 5 minutes, everyone will see on his map that a bomberformation has been spotted at that location, heading in that direction. I think this is more historicly arrucate because of in WW2 they often knew what type of planes was coming in.

What about it? Do I earn a cookie?

Offline skernsk

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« Reply #1 on: November 27, 2001, 01:30:00 PM »
We've seen several variations of this idea suggested in the past so......no cookie.

I'd go for dot dar within same sector as the airfield....bar dar after that and NO DAR under 500ft.

All the other stuff just complicates the issue and clutters up the clipboard map.

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« Reply #2 on: November 27, 2001, 01:34:00 PM »
You talkin' about in the CT? Sure. It actually sounds like a good idea.

If you're talkin' about the MA. No. The MA isn't about historical. The MA is a fantasy air combat arena. Ex. spits v. spits ain't historical. Leave the MA alone.

The current radar setup is setup for a specific reason. Find a fight. Why else would ht have put in in-flight dot dar and bar dar? Granted, it may be a little overkill now due to the numbers but if we increase the arena size, then radar becomes important again for the aforementioned reasons.

[ 11-27-2001: Message edited by: Apache ]

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« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2001, 02:01:00 PM »
agree with apache.   Go screw up the ct.   I don't care if you can or can't sneak up on people.  I don't like sneaks all that much anyway.   I do care about if I can find a WORTHWHILE fight or not.
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« Reply #4 on: November 27, 2001, 02:13:00 PM »
340 people in the main last night and people actually exrpess concern about *finding a fight*.
If you can't find a fight in the main now (even without in-plane radar) you need to quit skipping your meds.

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« Reply #5 on: November 27, 2001, 02:16:00 PM »
LOL!

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« Reply #6 on: November 27, 2001, 02:17:00 PM »
Apache, you need to detune from lazs RW channel. Are you actually buying into his crap?

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« Reply #7 on: November 27, 2001, 02:18:00 PM »
:)

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« Reply #8 on: November 27, 2001, 02:23:00 PM »
hmm, both sides have a point.  you don't need the inflight dot dar to find a fight, but the dot dar is there to find the fight.  However, the dot dar also serves to show possible incoming strikes on your base.  We actually flew defensive CAP the other night, and with dot dar intercepted several buffs and JABO planes coming in.  Dot dar is fine in MA.  Only thing that would be nice is line of sight so mountains would obscure dot dar, and NOE flights could also get under sector counters.

Keez's idea has great merit for the CT, after these things called strat and scoring get added to the CT.   ;)
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« Reply #9 on: November 27, 2001, 02:24:00 PM »
Hey hb.

Lazs has nothing to do with my opinion. We have had the numbers you speak of for only a short time. I have already seen lobbying for larger maps, therefore, yes, radar would be a factor again.

I was here when there were less than 100 people on, heck, in the beginning less than 50. Without radar, I would have been bored outta my skull.

There's a reason I threw away my copy of MS Flight Simulator.  :)

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« Reply #10 on: November 27, 2001, 06:11:00 PM »
Apache, in my opinion you're not a real flight sim enthusiast. Why did you throw away your copy of MS Flight Simulator? Cos you found it boring cos you can't dogfight in it? So you just enjoy the combat aspect of flying? I love everything about flight. Sometimes I just enjoy the scenery and controlling the plane and can fly around for hours.
I think the radar idea is excellent. Use yer brains for once in a while! Try to work out where the enemy will be.
The way you make it sound, AH should have 3 airfields all close to each other so we can have 3 giant furballs and to within the enemy furball in less then 30 seconds.

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« Reply #11 on: November 27, 2001, 07:54:00 PM »
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Originally posted by FlyingDuckSittingSwan:
Apache, in my opinion you're not a real flight sim enthusiast. Why did you throw away your copy of MS Flight Simulator? Cos you found it boring cos you can't dogfight in it? So you just enjoy the combat aspect of flying? I love everything about flight. Sometimes I just enjoy the scenery and controlling the plane and can fly around for hours.
I think the radar idea is excellent. Use yer brains for once in a while! Try to work out where the enemy will be.
The way you make it sound, AH should have 3 airfields all close to each other so we can have 3 giant furballs and to within the enemy furball in less then 30 seconds.

I ain't bitin' numbnuts.

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« Reply #12 on: November 28, 2001, 09:58:00 AM »
My personal preference would be dot-dar in the tower, bar-dar in the cockpit except for those under the radar altitude. However, if we have NOE masking from both the dot-dar and the bar-dar, then I think the system should send out a country-wide message whenever your base/city/factory/depot/etc is damaged.  Some kind of time-limit would be a good idea, such as only one message every 2 minutes for each base/facility attacked.  This would keep the message buffer manageable.
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« Reply #13 on: November 28, 2001, 10:27:00 AM »
fdss... didn't you "quit" after your (LOL) 2 week free trial?   arent you the moron who can't do a barrel roll or a split s?   The buffoon who believes he can master any car and drive it to it's extreme limits in 5 minutes?   glad your not on my side of this.  Why haven't you gone away as promised?

hblair...hblair... If you weren't so cute...  The dar is great for finding worthwile fights.   I don't like surprises and don't find either side of the gangbang equation to be a fun thing.   I don't find sneakyness to be a skill much less a virtue.  

I would even go further.  We need two colors of bars one for GV's and one for AC.   Hate wasting my time going to a field that has nothing but GV's.
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« Reply #14 on: November 28, 2001, 11:21:00 AM »
Can we please stop the name-calling?  It doesn't contribute to worthwhile discussions.
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