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Offline Dnil

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« Reply #30 on: August 10, 2003, 03:04:49 AM »
Going through the same thing.  Lost a job, divorce and move all in less then a month, was truly crushing.  The only thing that kept me going was the thought of my 2 girls growing up without a dad.  I couldn't do that to them.  I got into some dark places because of it.

I sucked it up and am pressing on.  I let her have everything.  All I got was my computer, clothes and a truck I can't afford.  I am moving back to Houston because being away from the kids is killing me.  It hurts knowing their female role model is a HO, but I can just be the best dad I can and be there for them.  I used to feel the way martlet did, till I went through it.  Fathers get hosed.

When I think about it now I was an idiot for giving her everything because I didn't want to fight.  She is a squeak either way :)

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« Reply #31 on: August 10, 2003, 05:31:26 AM »
Wedding contract that are the 2 magic words.
If ur "future" wife dont want to sign a fair contract, Kick her
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« Reply #32 on: August 10, 2003, 05:44:26 AM »
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Okay..layman's terms.

A chick can screw a guy by using the system.  This system benefitted your sister, and rightly so, but can be used against guys who don't deserve it.  They have been good fathers and husbands.


Yes, I agree totally. I was bored and boozing and it was just a take on it from personal experience.

This was all really about  apathy's friends case, and the system can be a real b*tch indeed.  And of course if it was me I'd not want to shoot myself. Then how could I strangle the hag?Naw...

Situations suck like that, but if you could just leave your family and move in with some skank without repercussion, there would be alot more sad stories from the other end.

It sucks all around for everyone involved, that's a fact.
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« Reply #33 on: August 10, 2003, 08:53:23 AM »
Captain A: Sorry to hear about the death of your friend. Suicide is a tragedy under any circumstances. Some say he doesn’t deserve sympathy, but clearly he was trying his best. Our distorted western society adjudged his best as not good enough. Too bad a few people here agreed with that. I don’t care for the smugness of those who have no sympathy.

The situation is as bad or even worse over here in Britain, where the 50-50 rule applies - whatever the circumstances. My ex-wife did bugger all in our marriage. Didn’t have children but didn’t want to go to work either, so tried to live her life through me. It could not go on, so in 1996 we put the marriage out of its misery. Despite the fact that she contributed nothing to our matrimonial home and had no money of her own, she was able to walk away with the house and a substantial proportion of my other assets.

I have never said a bad word against marriage, so sought encouragement from my remaining married friends. Trouble is, one by one they all started divorcing! One of those was Tom, who ran the village lawnmower shop. His wife Candy was a real gold digger. Tom had to move out of the house (his house) while the divorce was going on. Now Tom was not a wealthy man, and his house was, shall we say, humble. But guess what? He was ordered to give his wife HALF the equity he had in it, which was £60,000. So his wife got £30,000 for that. What an injustice! That house was Tom’s house, never hers. He had lived there since before he knew Candy, and to top it all, she was just about to move in with a man of means in a more prestigious house in a neighbouring village! She should not have been taking £30,000 from Tom. If anything, she should have been paying Tom back rent.

The story doesn’t end there. Despite Candy’s assurances to be fair (before the initial consultation with the divorce solicitor), she wanted more. Tom had a classic car – a Jaguar Mk2 – just like the one in the Inspector Morse series, only red. Candy wanted half of its value which, as a classic car, might have been valued at £15,000-£20,000. WTF!!! Why should she get half of that?!! That car was Tom’s, and had nothing to do with Candy, and nothing to do with the marriage.

But good for Tom – he sold that car to the owner of the house he moved to as surety for the rent payment. Sale price - £1. LOL. After the divorce, Tom having made good on his rent debts, the car was transferred back to him. And Candy? She now lives it up in Australia, where she moved with her new man and hers and Tom’s son, Tom junior. So Tom effectively has no access to his son, unless he makes the trip to Australia, which he has done once.

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« Reply #34 on: August 10, 2003, 09:34:10 AM »
Rule one in marriage...never, repeat never, marry a woman named Candy.  

Candy, in my experience, isn't a real name.  It is a ...ummm...stage name. ;)

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« Reply #35 on: August 10, 2003, 10:33:03 PM »
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Martlet, don't you think you are being a bit unfair.

 Because of the extraodinary numbers of dead-beat dads the system has leaned way too far onto the rights of mothers...the assumption being that the male is at fault.  


THE RIGHTS OF MOTHERS. My favorite thing. Having survived a similar situation I can say that, at least in my case, my sons' mother was the only one catered to by the system.
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« Reply #36 on: August 11, 2003, 04:41:09 PM »
Well reading some of these post I gather alot of you dont know how this really works...

1. No they cannot monitor the spending of the support, or should I say will not.

2. Them being in the military matters not to the courts. Its all about income. Guess how much military folks make. Nada cus all their needs are taken care of.

3. At one point in time I could afford to pay the support. It was set when I was making 60k. I made just over 70k last year. This year I will make just over 43k. When the review goes through they will use last years numbers... You do the math.

4.  It is cheaper to have 2 kids by 2 different women because the child support from one is deducted from your income.

5. The courts will not back date support unless it is filed by the custodial parent. So therefore my arrears will always remain the same.

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« Reply #37 on: August 11, 2003, 04:50:16 PM »
Tired of hearing about "dead beat DADS" what about "dead beat MOMS"? HUH? Well????

I raised both of my biological children without a dime of support from the egg donor (sorry, but MOM just doesn't fit). The courts just didn't think to award it at the time and I was too stupid to push the issue. I was afraid I wouldn't get custody since the cards were stacked in favor of the mother back then.

Call em dead beat parents or something..... Moms too!

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« Reply #38 on: August 11, 2003, 05:16:13 PM »
MT I feel what you are saying. It does go both ways. But honestly how many times have you heard the term dead beat MOMs or parents. I just use the term because thats how the judge looked at me when she said that I could not talk to her.

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« Reply #39 on: August 11, 2003, 05:20:05 PM »
I had a friend who after 20+ years with his wife found out that she was leaving him for a Dr.  He was a paramedic, paramedics don't make a lot of money and she was living with a guy who made $200k year easy.  She nailed him on child support and alamony since she wasn't married to this Dr.  They had a 13 yo daughter when they got divorced, 2 weeks after she turned  18 he gets a letter stating she was taking him back to court to retroactively raise child support for the last 5 years, even though the daughter was 18 and away at a university!!!!  This Biatch wants an extra $300/ month for the last 60 months!  Well he didn't have $18, 000 laying around and was paying for her school as it was.  2 days before he was due in court the helicopter he was working on crashed.  He was critical and in ICU on a ventilator when his ex (who knew about the crash) went through with the hearing and because Chuck wasn't there she won.  10 months later Chuck died in ICU, his ex wife forced the sale for his house and got all his savings and the money from the house.  His new wife got nothing except some of his belongings.

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« Reply #40 on: August 11, 2003, 09:54:08 PM »
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Well reading some of these post I gather alot of you dont know how this really works...

1. No they cannot monitor the spending of the support, or should I say will not.

2. Them being in the military matters not to the courts. Its all about income. Guess how much military folks make. Nada cus all their needs are taken care of.

3. At one point in time I could afford to pay the support. It was set when I was making 60k. I made just over 70k last year. This year I will make just over 43k. When the review goes through they will use last years numbers... You do the math.

4.  It is cheaper to have 2 kids by 2 different women because the child support from one is deducted from your income.

5. The courts will not back date support unless it is filed by the custodial parent. So therefore my arrears will always remain the same.


It's no wonder you're getting screwed, you don't know squat about support.

If the custodial parent is in the military, the judge can add BAQ/BOQ to to the support allowance, thus reducing your cost of living portion.

For the same reason, it is cheaper to pay support for 2 children residing in the same household.  Unless you have a complete moron for a lawyer (or were dumb enough to represent yourself),  some cost of living allowances for two children residing in the same household are redundant, therefore you only pay them once.  If you decide to go starting families all over town, then there is no redundancy, and you pay it all.

The courts WILL backdate a support order.  Generally, you can only get it backdated to the date the request was filed, but if you can show the amount you were ordered to pay is a gross overpayment it can be dated to the previous order or time when your earnings changed, whichever is closer to the filing date.

Unless, of course, you come from a state with support laws like I'd never heard of.

Get custody of the kids and see what it costs to raise them.

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« Reply #41 on: August 11, 2003, 10:38:38 PM »
Martlet you our a pro at this I see.

1 They dont get BHA they live in housing. Income is figured out by the child support services. All income is included in figuring out support.

2 Under california I would pay 1795 for 2 kids. Thats just a a few hundred $ more than I pay for 2 now.

3 Had a lawyer found out that it is alot of money and not worth the trouble. Even Non custodial parents support groups said it would be. I should have listened. But will end up with a lawyer again.

4 They do not back date your arrears. Tried that. Unless the child support services lied to me.

Not saying you dont know the law but it seems to be case by case basis. Everything you said I have tried and the only response I get from a judge is "I see no reason to deviate from the guidlines." Remember I have done this a couple of times just my experience.

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« Reply #42 on: August 11, 2003, 10:48:32 PM »
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Martlet you our a pro at this I see.

1 They dont get BHA they live in housing. Income is figured out by the child support services. All income is included in figuring out support.

2 Under california I would pay 1795 for 2 kids. Thats just a a few hundred $ more than I pay for 2 now.

3 Had a lawyer found out that it is alot of money and not worth the trouble. Even Non custodial parents support groups said it would be. I should have listened. But will end up with a lawyer again.

4 They do not back date your arrears. Tried that. Unless the child support services lied to me.

Not saying you dont know the law but it seems to be case by case basis. Everything you said I have tried and the only response I get from a judge is "I see no reason to deviate from the guidlines." Remember I have done this a couple of times just my experience.


My mother represented one of my college buddies when he went back to get his support order changed..  We spent many long nights looking for any way to keep her from screwing him.    He was in the military, not his wife, but one of the things I remember reading was a way to have a % of the BAQ to count not as income, but as support.

We got the support order changed, but his judge wouldn't back date it either, even though we cited several precedents.

You really don't have any choice except to keep trying.  Either that or wait until they lock you up.

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« Reply #43 on: August 11, 2003, 10:56:39 PM »
Yeah they know where I am at so if they need to come get me I wont run atleast I know Im trying. Fortunately I still have my sanity. The good news is I have 9 years for my son and 14 years for my daughter.. Unless they go to college and their moms still needs support. The BHA is included but only if they are receiving it. Im getting ready for round 4 this month.

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« Reply #44 on: August 11, 2003, 10:57:55 PM »
what saur said. get a good lawyer to write a good all encompassing prenup. #2 dont own stuff in your name. its called a trust fund or property held in trust. #3 incorperate, that keeps you personal salry down while the big chunk goes in the trust or expences. #4 VASECTOMY, if you dont want the expence and trouble involved in owning kids dont sire them. dont get me wrong i like kids, i own one myself. i read an article in the paper a few years ago about a guy who won the lottery. he was divorced when he won it. so he gets a lawyer, sells the right to collect the winnings to a bank for cash right now. then puts it in a trust fund. he had it locked up so tight the govt. couldnt even get at it. and he owed child support so his EX was pissed that she and all the kings lawyers couldnt get at it.
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