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Offline jamusta

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« on: August 08, 2003, 10:30:39 PM »
Altough I agree that dead beat dads are a problem it seems to me that a majority of them are created by the system its self. I pay 50% of my salary to child support. I cannot afford this so I am collecting arrears as I type.

Here are my thoughts on child support:

The system is totally biased against the non custodial parent (ncp).

They take that 50% after taxes but it was calculated against my salary before taxes. Its not considered income to the custodial parent so they dont have to pay taxes on it. Whats the difference between alimony and child support? Alimony one has to pay taxes tho.

 Their is no accountablity for the custodial parent. My child support has bought new cars and leather furniture. One wants to get a motorcycle. (Did I mention both of my kids moms are in the military so housing food and medical are paid for.) I am expected to maintain their housholds and mine. (say they get a two bedroom apartment. Instead of paying the difference between a 1 br and a 2 br they think I should pay for the cost of a 2 br. see above about military.) I was ordered to provide medical????? (see above about military)

My bills are not really considered in the calculations. So the fact I live in an area where $1100 is avg rent for 1 br doesnt matter. I got laid off last year and made around 71000. This year I will bring in around 43000 so I ask for a review and was told it would go off of what I made last year...Huh????

I pay some of my support but I cannot afford to pay all my support so I guess I will be a dead beat dad.

Just venting my frustrations.

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« Reply #1 on: August 08, 2003, 11:21:32 PM »
Now you get to go to the next step...... Finding employers that Hire dead beat dads that owe back support.
Or if you happen to live in my state (Washington) they pull your Drivers lic.  2 weeks after you miss a payment ... that really makes getting a new job easy.... and you just dont get it back that easily.(pay half now and this and that fee and they let you have it back)
And counting on your tax return guess what ... they take that to .

Yes the system is helping to create more DBD's, its a bunch of @#$%

ive been there 2 times already .... the hole is almost impossiable to get out of these days. ok ive added my vent to this...
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« Reply #2 on: August 08, 2003, 11:40:03 PM »
Yeah I think my license is suspended. Oh and my credit is now screwed because I owe 10k in back support. Im still trying to figure out how to pay the arrears which is difficult since I cant pay the regular amount. Why is there interest on my arrears did i sign for some sort of loan? I was paying child support before I had an court order to pay. They back dated my support to the time when they 1st submitted the paperwork. I was instantly 6 months behind even though I had been paying. When I asked if they would back date my payment to the time I put in the paper work for the review they said nope.

It seems the ones who dont pay or are avoiding the child support agencies have it easier than the ones who want to pay but cant.

I NEED A HUG!!!!!:(

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« Reply #3 on: August 09, 2003, 12:03:39 AM »
ya it's very screwed up.  (luckly I've only had a spectators view)

a couple of examples

one of my best friends, we went through our apprenticeship together.  so, he's doing the good dad thing always putting his wife and kids first.  one day I pick him up to share a ride to a union meeting (about 60 miles away), things are going great as far as h can tell, she kisseshim goodbye at the door and we leave.  we show back-up after noon and the house is empty.  no furniture, no kids stuff, none of her stuff, none of his personal stuff that had any value what so ever,  just some garbage and things she couldn't sell.  oh, ya and no contact.  no note, no letter, no msg on the answering machine (not that she left it or the phone), no msg through a friend, no idea what happened to his wife and kids for about 3 weeks.

when he gets contact it's through a process server, filing for divorce and a restraining order.  typical legal ploy, claim abuse, no evedence, no injury, no police report, no bruises, no witnesses,  just her saying it happend.  no specific day it happened or anything, no calls for help in the night.  just "I'd like a divorce, and a restraining order,  ya, he hit me once I don't remember when but I'm afraid"  

so now he's got the dangerouse wife beater label,  can't see his kids (which is really killing him),  can't even get an answer as to why.  

so she gets everything,  he doesn't even fight for it.  even though he'd worked his bellybutton off for about 8 years and finally got on top of the bills and some equity in his house (probably why she left then, waiting till it was worth it).

so he lets her have everything (she had to take care of the kids after all and she might need it),  agreed to a high suport payment without a fight (again his kids would need it).

then a year or 2 go by and he meets a new girl and tries to start over.

he's happy again for the first time in years.  working hard paying his bills, walking on air, he's got a new kid on the way.  

so the new baby comes and the bills start piling up so he realizes that taking the local jobs isn't going to be enough to suport his house and the ex's,  so he travels to hit some bigger money jobs.

thats where the fun begins.

so we make 35-60k a year depending on the economy.  

if you are willing to travel you can make some good money in a short time but you can't do it every week.

so he takes a couple of the out of state jobs to make enough extra to cover the bills.  on a 7-12's job you can gross about $3,200.

so he travels 2000 mi, and works 7 days a week 12 hours a day on a 3 month job.  time away from his family but it will cover the bills, and maybe save enough that he can afford to stay in the area to work for most of the year.

so off he goes to work,  a couple weeks later she gets the 2 or 3 checks he owes her,  she asks around (knows people in the trade) and finds out he headed out of town for a good money job.

then she files for a change in his support.  he is making $3,200 a week, thats 166k a year, he's not sharing near enough with his kids.  so he gets a letter stating he needs to be in court in a couple weeks or he can not show and his new suport payment will be based on 166k per year (btw this also doesn't take into account that even if he could find the work make 166k he's also need to deduct the price of 365 days of hotels plaus food and travel expenses)

he can't afford that so he quits the job and drives home (you don't get a couple of weeks off in this kind of work, you either work here and show up every day, or you don't work here).

he argues it in court and they dont change the suport (even though he actually had made less that year then the year they origanally based his suport on they didn't adjust it lower, they just decide not to raise it)

so a 5 or 6 months go by and he finds another out of town job that would get him out of the hole financially.  so off he goes,  a couple weeks later another sumons and the whole thing goes again.

so this happens 3 or 4 more times,  always the same thing and the same arguments.  she don't work, and since she's on welfare she gets an attorney for free any time she wants to file for an adjustment (suprisingly, he can't seem to get a hearing to have his adjusted when he loses work.  he can only have it looked at on certain aniversary dates (not sure exactly how that works, just that she can ask to have it looked at, he can't)

so one day he gets the summons and quits the job to go to court,  he gets back in town and the new wife tells him she can't live like this.

he's constantly leaving town for work, yet they never have any money,  and when he is in town all he does is fight it out with his ex about money and when he's gone she has to listen to the ex call and squeak about money.  basicly this isn't what she signed on for,  she's sorry, she loves him, but she wants out.

they argue about it she stands by her decision,  and goes off to the store to let it all kind of sink in.

while she was gone he stuck a .44 to his chest and put a round through his hart.

you always hear about the women, and how hard single mother have it (and some do).  but the system is perfectly willing to stand by some greed money grubbing squeak while she uses the kids as a tool to suck the life out of some poor guy whos only crime was giving a damn about her.

so for the record guys are often the victim too.  abviosly most don't end up as bad off as my friend and most gold diggers have at least a piece of a soul and know when to let up.

but the suport system is screwed and it needs fixing.


sorry, there was another example but after dragging all this up I don't feel much like anymore typing tonight

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« Reply #4 on: August 09, 2003, 12:08:43 AM »
never mind...
« Last Edit: August 09, 2003, 02:19:11 AM by mietla »

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« Reply #5 on: August 09, 2003, 12:13:06 AM »
A good friend of mine is in the same situation... :(

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« Reply #6 on: August 09, 2003, 12:21:54 AM »
Sorry to hear...:(
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« Reply #7 on: August 09, 2003, 12:42:00 AM »
Damn. Capt. Apathy. I cannot see how you can post without any apparent concern for those kids.

I'm sorry. You must be overcome with the loss of your friend. But his kids will have to deal with this the rest of their lives.

This needs to be said. A dad's body is not his own. He has a job to do, and your friend failed to do his job if he committed suicide. There is no way that I cut your friend any slack on this. He didn't do his job.

Its just another pathetic story in a sea of them, people who don't take responsibility for their actions and blame everybody else.

It is a shame as far as I'm concerned.
« Last Edit: August 09, 2003, 01:12:10 AM by Gunthr »
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« Reply #8 on: August 09, 2003, 01:10:40 AM »
Sorry, no sympathy here.

You start families with multiple women, then don't take custody of the kids, then hire a crappy divorce lawyer.

Step up to the plate.

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« Reply #9 on: August 09, 2003, 01:40:09 AM »
actually he was forced into a situation where no matter what he did he was the one thing he couldn't stand, a father who couldn't take care of his own kids.  up until his last moments he did everything right,  he worked hard (at work, at school, and at home), he put his wife and kids first.  and no matter what he did the squeak wanted more cash and the system helped her shake him down.

he rarely saw his kids anyway.  he'd drive 30 miles to pick them up and she wouldn't be home at the time,  he'd sit in the car for hours and she wouldn't show.  she held them hostage for more cash all the while spewing lies about what a lousy father he was, and how he didn't care.

then he sees a split with the new wife and as far as his experience shows it's going to be more of the same.

he jst reached a desparate moment, wher the math added up and (with his insurance, freed up pension and anuity money) he could do a better job as a father from the grave.

I don't much care for his decision, and he had no idea how many would have done anything to help (standing room only at the funeral, guessing at 400+).  but I wasn't in his shoes and he was a man who was out of options.

btw-martlet, he didn't set out to 'start familys with multiple women',  he was a devoted husband and father, who one day came home to an empty house.  his only real mistake was picking the wrong girl (a lot of them out there), and she decided being grown-up wasn't fun and would rather split and party on the cash he sends for his kids.  when that didn't work out he paid his bills and tried to start again, but it just wasn't enough for her.

I can only see it one way no matter how many times I try, the squeak killed him.

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« Reply #10 on: August 09, 2003, 02:00:13 AM »
Man.  Just shows you there's two sides to every story.  Never really thought about it from the side of the "deadbeat dad."  Sigh.  You hear about kids slipping through the cracks in the system, but never about the fathers that do too.

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« Reply #11 on: August 09, 2003, 03:02:10 AM »
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Originally posted by Martlet
Sorry, no sympathy here.

You start families with multiple women, then don't take custody of the kids, then hire a crappy divorce lawyer.

Step up to the plate.


Step up to the plate?

I did. how many jobs did you have last year? I had 3 at one time. 2 full time jobs and the reserves. I lost 20lbs in a month. Lack of sleep was the biggest problem. I dont need sympathy. I just need to vent and to see who else has been through this. Obviously you havent..

Capt...
the one thing he couldn't stand, a father who couldn't take care of his own kids..
thats the hardest thing to deal with....I feel the same way...
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« Reply #12 on: August 09, 2003, 06:35:58 AM »
My guess is that there is some legal option if the custodial parent spouse is mis-spending child support.  You can seek to have a guardian ad litem appointed or a trustee who will verify the uses of the money.  Also, as for support amounts varying, it sure seems to me that the issue could be solved by setting up a percentage allocation from the paycheck.

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« Reply #13 on: August 09, 2003, 08:08:38 AM »
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Sorry, no sympathy here.

You start families with multiple women, then don't take custody of the kids, then hire a crappy divorce lawyer.

Step up to the plate.

I'm not married. I'm not sure about kids, though. I've planted seed in more than one Canudian. I figured they have superior health care, she's good, right?


This is how Marty steps up, i think you're doing a much better job Jam.

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« Reply #14 on: August 09, 2003, 10:53:13 AM »
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You can seek to have a guardian ad litem appointed or a trustee who will verify the uses of the money. Also, as for support amounts varying, it sure seems to me that the issue could be solved by setting up a percentage allocation from the paycheck.


I've never hears of anyone getting either of these options(the varifying of spending or trustee thing on trustfunds but not suport).

many people have complained to the courts about mis-spent money. and AFAIK I've never heard of anyone getting any responce from it without picturese of starving kids living in waste and a needle hanging out of the ex's arm.

both are excellent ideas though and would go along way twards bettering the situation if implemented.  

you have to keep records of the suport you pay.  my brother got a bit behind on his, and in the same time period someone broke into his house and vandalized it while he was away, destroying all his records.  he didn't keep very good records anyway (money order receipts instead of checking account), his ex claimed he didn't pay anything after the first year (10 yrs after the break-up).  I know this was BS because I'd paid a couple of those months myself.  but he couldn't prove he paid. so he had to pay all again.

why not audit the custodial parent?  we all keep reciepts for taxes or whatever anyway.  why not some accountabilit?