Author Topic: 109G10 beats P51 near the deck (Read 3130 times)

beet1e · « **on:** August 09, 2003, 09:06:27 AM »

I was all over the place when I started with the G10, and was quick to lament its weaknesses. I’ve had a great deal of help from guys like Grünherz, Urchin and Ecke-109, and now I’m really enjoying this plane. Instead of focussing on its weaknesses (poor roll rate, sluggish elevator) I now try to capitalise on its strengths – speed, e-retention, acceleration, scissoring...

The last three kills I got were all P51s. The first two were rank dweebs who dived into the fray, twisting and turning and firing at anything that moved, until their E was blown, at which point they tried to run away. But the G10 can chase them down, and as they wriggle and turn, the G10 simply uses that moment to get ever closer. I used Grünherz’s “tap-tap” method to nail each of these guys at 300-400 yards. Only thing is, I tap-tapped my way through about 33 spuds before getting the kill – LOL.

The last one was the best. I ran into Artlaw, and he put up what I considered to be a good fight. He did a good barrel roll, and if I hadn’t realised what he was trying, I might have ended up in his 12. Fortunately for me, I reversed the roll from right to left. As Artlaw levelled came horizontal, I wasn’t there – I was in his 8. I couldn’t get a guns solution in the pull-up, so over we went again, the G10 happy to loop, but the P51 gasping for E. And there he was, in my 12. I was sorry it was over.

Artlaw I am left wondering at what point you ran out of gas. :D
Never mind. And don’t feel bad. It’s the plane that counts, not the pilot.

Film of 109 v P51

Ike 2K# · « **Reply #1 on:** August 09, 2003, 10:00:20 AM »

were you carrying gondolas?

Rutilant · « **Reply #2 on:** August 09, 2003, 10:20:59 AM »

Wheee

I remember a 109G10 fight vs Artlaw's P51

I can't remember all of it, but i believe it started at around 7k.. i had dove on him and eveneed out at around D800, so he was trying to gain separation.. every time he leveled out i did a low yoyo and gained on him, forcing him to wriggle and dive a bit for some speed.. slowly, over the length of a sector, this went on till we got o around 2k (this was pizza) and he sees a CV and dives too it.. it isnt his! it starts firing at him so he dives the other way and i dive along with him and we end up on the deck. I had been firing the BBs at him and getting minor pings the whole way, but no damage.. i had 16 taters and no MGs left, so i had to make em count.. On the deck my 109G10 could keep up with hima nd i was almost outta WEP.. he knows this and i get to around D450 and he barrel rolls to make me overshoot and i fired all my spuds at him in a last ditch attempt.. I missed and went on past, clenching my teeth adn aiting for the 6 .50s to rip me to shreds.. it doesnt happen and i look back just in time to see him snaproll and auger.

WHEW! I had 2 scalps, that being the third and hadd no ammo, very little fuel so i go to land on the CV.. flaps out, almost there.. almost.. smack right into the back of the CV. Have a good laugh with artlaw on channel 1 about it and exchange our 's..

That was fun Artlaw taught me the 109G10 too, so i guess it came back to bite him

DrDea · « **Reply #3 on:** August 09, 2003, 11:05:37 AM »

MONGO LIKE G 10 But if you use the gondolas on that thing its conna cost ya.

beet1e · « **Reply #4 on:** August 09, 2003, 11:42:59 AM »

Ike - no gondolas. Just the optional spud cannon.

At first, I thought I'd missed and that the P51 had simply augered. But just before splashdown, you can clearly see the red tail, separated from the rest of the plane.

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That was fun Artlaw taught me the 109G10 too, so i guess it came back to bite him

LOL!

GRUNHERZ · « **Reply #5 on:** August 09, 2003, 02:05:26 PM »

WTG!!! You have seen the light (darkness?) of the G10...

nopoop · « **Reply #6 on:** August 09, 2003, 02:06:17 PM »

It would have much more interesting if you would have been in the 51, reversed and killed the G10.

As it was, you have the horsepower, he bled on the reversal.

If you ever have a film where you DON'T have the advantage and are victorious post THAT film.

They're much more informative.

Widewing · « **Reply #7 on:** August 09, 2003, 02:15:42 PM »

About a year ago I had an epic brawl with Shane (we've had several of those, always fun). I was up in a heavy P-51D, Shane had a 109G-10 (this was in the CT). I had loaded two 1k bombs and six rockets, plus a full bag of fuel for a three sector transit (was gonna defuel a base that was spawning Ju 88s by the dozen).

Anyway, I had switched thru my tanks and mistakenly left it on the aux tank in manual mode. That would haunt me later. I had passed about 8k when I spot a dot in the distance. I elected to pickle the rockets and hang on to the bombs for the time being.

When the dot became an icon (remember, icon range in the CT is just 3k), I dumped the bombs and maneuvered to gain position on the lower 109. We merged with me going down, and Shane zooming up. The fight lasted for several minutes with neither pilot gaining any significant edge on the other, aside from the briefest snap shot here and there. We were in a climbing lufberry when that aux tank ran dry. I had to fumble around to select another tank, and that gave Shane his opening. Still, I was able to hold him at bay until WEP ran out (which I was using sparingly). Then it got dicey fast. He finally scored a hit and I went down.

There are two things that conspire to hurt the performance of the P-51D. The first is carrying too much fuel. Because it can carry so much, full tanks take a sizable amount of performance away. Second, it has only 5 minutes of WEP, whereas the 109G-10 has at least twice that duration.

Finally, a dogfight involving someone with Shane's skills requires that you not make any dumb mistakes. Running out of gas was a dumb mistake and Shane will make you pay for it.

In a one on one Between a P-51D and 109G-10, the match-up is close enough to go either way. Climb and acceleration go to the 109, with handling, both fast and slow going to the Mustang. Shane was determined to keep the fight in the vertical and I was trying to force him to turn more.

This type of fight is what keeps guys coming back for more every day.

My regards,

Widewing

beet1e · « **Reply #8 on:** August 09, 2003, 03:43:22 PM »

Hehe! I always get shot down by the same guys on the BBS, when I post a film - LOL - Lazs and akak will be along in a minute.

Nopoop!

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If you ever have a film where you DON'T have the advantage and are victorious post THAT film.

Certainly. I had clipped the front off that one, so now I include the full thing just for you - only about 4 mins.

At time 0:09, you will see that I am at 3.8K and 235mph, whereas the P51 is at 4.9K and 240mph. Seems like he has the advantage. (?) At time 0:21, he is at 6.9K and 132mph, and I am at 3.7K and 283mph. The whole point of this post is not me, not the P51, but the 109G10. It is able to accelerate and zoom up, and make light of the P51's perceived 3.3K alt advantage. I'm just trying to show what the G10 can do. I keep telling you! - it's the plane that counts, not the pilot. Granted, I have a long way to go as a 109G10 pilot, but I'm working on it.

Full version for Nopoop

BUG_EAF322 · « **Reply #9 on:** August 09, 2003, 04:18:03 PM »

Every tour my most kills are stangs with mostly a high k/d on them.

Still a good pilot can do make the stang do suprising things high speed diving scissors mostly give em a chance to snapshot me.

But a failure of 2 -3 time makes my P38 always get me on their 6.

Same counts for g10 easy to shake of and the p38 can get it in the vertical.

A good G10 pilot keeps alot off speed and better try not all those fancy turns. And stay above all things.

nopoop · « **Reply #10 on:** August 09, 2003, 04:27:49 PM »

Beet most know what the G10 can do.

What someone can do with it is what's interesting and informative.

What mathman, Hooley or Drex can do with a squeak kitty is facinating. They fight with it.

What hblair can do with a 109 is facinating. He fights with it.

What Rude does with a pony is facinating. He fights with it

What Leviathn does with a Spit V is facinating. He fights with it.

What you do with a G10 is..well.. it stayed on my hard drive just long enough to watch it...

When I want to watch mediority I watch my own films..

Lotsa stuff goin on in mine tho..

No chance of nodding off..

Steve · « **Reply #11 on:** August 09, 2003, 04:50:14 PM »

"Every tour my most kills are stangs with mostly a high k/d on them"

Really? Who?

beet1e · « **Reply #12 on:** August 09, 2003, 05:14:05 PM »

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Originally posted by nopoop
Beet most know what the G10 can do.

What someone can do with it is what's interesting and informative.

What mathman, Hooley or Drex can do with a squeak kitty is facinating. They fight with it.

What hblair can do with a 109 is facinating. He fights with it.

What Rude does with a pony is facinating. He fights with it

What Leviathn does with a Spit V is facinating. He fights with it.

What you do with a G10 is..well.. it stayed on my hard drive just long enough to watch it...

When I want to watch mediority I watch my own films..

Lotsa stuff goin on in mine tho..

No chance of nodding off..

When I read a post whose content doesn't interest me, I simply move to the next post. Some I don't even read at all if the title looks dumb, or if I already know that the author is dumb.

So why don't you do the same? I know your opinion of me is unflattering, so why waste your time here? Simply move to the next post.

Heinkel · « **Reply #13 on:** August 09, 2003, 05:32:49 PM »

Looked good to me...can't really fight a guy when all he does is run away.

beet1e · « **Reply #14 on:** August 09, 2003, 07:00:47 PM »

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Originally posted by Steve
"Every tour my most kills are stangs with mostly a high k/d on them"

Really? Who?

Steve - look at any reasonable player's stats sorted by number of kills by type for tours gone by. Ignore anything that's not a fighter aircraft. In most cases, you will find that the P51, LA7 and Spit ix are in the top five of the list. That's because more people choose to fly those. Not that they are crap planes.