Human shield gets Fined?

[Fishu]

Originally posted by Martlet
You didn't validate crap.  You said the U.S. was violating Human Rights Laws in Guantanamo Bay, and have yet to cite a single law that was being violated.  How can I throw something out that you haven't provided?

Whatever mister ignorant troller.

You're a typical case, which means your 'prove this prove that' thing isn't any brand new or great thing.

[Martlet]

Originally posted by Fishu
Whatever mister ignorant troller.

You're a typical case, which means your 'prove this prove that' thing isn't any brand new or great thing.

You calling me an "ignorant typical troller"?  You spout off accusations, I ask you to back them up.  You can't.  Take your toys and go home until you can back up your mouth.

[Fishu]

Martlet,

The proof stands right in this thread... what else do I need to do?
Perhaps conduct few months long study of it and then you would slam it down as insufficient?

been there, done that....
I'm tired of yanks retorting to "prove it up to decimal" - 'tactic'
...and when you turn back at them, they're spouting some crap somewhere else and providing not a slighest proof for any of their claims.

Somehow I doubt you'd be different, when it is so typical phenomen over at yankee boards.
Over the years, I haven't seen similar kind of behaviour employed so widely by any other nationalities than americans.
I'm still trying to figure out whys this.
This is only an observed thing over the years in several forums of several nationalities, not a downgrade of certain nationality.

[Martlet]

Originally posted by Fishu
Martlet,

The proof stands right in this thread... what else do I need to do?
Perhaps conduct few months long study of it and then you would slam it down as insufficient?

been there, done that....
I'm tired of yanks retorting to "prove it up to decimal" - 'tactic'
...and when you turn back at them, they're spouting some crap somewhere else and providing not a slighest proof for any of their claims.

Somehow I doubt you'd be different, when it is so typical phenomen over at yankee boards.
Over the years, I haven't seen similar kind of behaviour employed so widely by any other nationalities than americans.
I'm still trying to figure out whys this.
This is only an observed thing over the years in several forums of several nationalities, not a downgrade of certain nationality.

So, after failing to defend your accusations, you insult my nationality, then accuse me of doing exactly what you are doing.  You're on a roll.

I've yet to make any accusations I haven't offered a basis for when asked.  Your ignorance is coming through, and I find it amusing.

[Fishu]

Yeah well and your proor providing yaddayaddas have insulted me.

[Martlet]

Originally posted by Fishu
Yeah well and your proor providing yaddayaddas have insulted me.

If I were you, I'd be more insulted by my failed education, than someone else's yaddas.

[GtoRA2]

Martlet is right, you are coming off as the troll in this thread.

I would like to know what human rights laws have been broken as well.

[Fishu]

It's simple guys: go look for yourself if you haven't done so.
I'm not your doggy.

If you two have failed to find out WHAT EXACTLY IS WRONG with the procedures of guantanamo bay, it's not anymore my responsibility to help you out with it.

Any person who follows actual news and knows something about basic things with laws, knows it already, without having law §'s put up in front of their eyes.


I really wonder how deep and how much time you guys expect me to spend with a single forum thread, when you guys simply either play stupid or don't know anything about international laws or human right laws.

How about you two go read those things to educate yourself? that way you guys don't need to put others go through alot of trouble just because you guys haven't bothered to do it yourself.


Gee.. guess I need to start acting like me-knows-nothing as well and force others to dig out every bit of silly stuff for me or otherwise they'll be just throwing accusations out of the wind.

It'd be funny if I'd ask you guys about exact laws what something is breaking, what would you guys say? go find it everytime someone asks? yeah right, LOL.


Let's see what amnesty itself says..  didn't I already guide you to look at it?
Someones just lacks the initiave, but keeps the right to b1tch. *cough*hypocrits*cough*


Amnesty International believes that the Military Order should be revoked, and that any trial before the military commissions would contravene international standards:

The commissions will lack independence from the executive. The executive has the power to name who will be tried by the commissions, to appoint or to remove commission members, to pick the panel that will review convictions, and to make the final decision in any case.

There will be no right of appeal to an independent and impartial court established by law. The commissions can pass death sentences. Under international standards, governments must ensure particular respect for all fair trial rights in capital cases, including the right to appeal.

The right to counsel of choice and to an effective defence is restricted. Defendants will be provided with military lawyers and would have to pay to retain a civilian lawyer. Among other restrictions, civilian lawyers may not have access to classified information or closed proceedings. In addition, lawyer/client confidentiality is not guaranteed.

US citizens cannot be subject to the Military Order and will not be tried by military commission, even if accused of the same offence as a foreign national. International law prohibits discrimination on the basis of nationality with regards to fair trial rights. The commissions would allow a lower standard of evidence than is admissible in ordinary courts


...oh yeah Martlet, you just dodged the amnesty post last time with some irrelevant flame.
No wonder you missed it, my bad.....  (..nah)

So keen to require things from the others and to downplay them, but yet unable to do so yourself what you ask from the others.

You're not a great discusser, you obviously are trying to think of yourself.

[Martlet]

Originally posted by Fishu
It's simple guys: go look for yourself if you haven't done so.
I'm not your doggy.

If you two have failed to find out WHAT EXACTLY IS WRONG with the procedures of guantanamo bay, it's not anymore my responsibility to help you out with it.

Any person who follows actual news and knows something about basic things with laws, knows it already, without having law §'s put up in front of their eyes.


I really wonder how deep and how much time you guys expect me to spend with a single forum thread, when you guys simply either play stupid or don't know anything about international laws or human right laws.

How about you two go read those things to educate yourself? that way you guys don't need to put others go through alot of trouble just because you guys haven't bothered to do it yourself.


Gee.. guess I need to start acting like me-knows-nothing as well and force others to dig out every bit of silly stuff for me or otherwise they'll be just throwing accusations out of the wind.

It'd be funny if I'd ask you guys about exact laws what something is breaking, what would you guys say? go find it everytime someone asks? yeah right, LOL.

Ahhh, falling back to the old "educate yourself" defense.  Nice move.  It doesn't work when you throw it out there after trying to defend your argument for several days.

The facts remain.  You don't have a defense.  You can't give me a single example, because there are none.  There ARE NO HUMAN RIGHTS LAWS BEING BROKEN.  Period.  

I find it absurd you are angry at being held to your statement.  If you are going to make accusations, have the facts to back them up.

Keep trying to promote your propaganda.

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...oh yeah Martlet, you just dodged the amnesty post last time with some irrelevant flame.  

So keen to require things from the others and to downplay them, but yet unable to do so yourself what you ask from the others.

What post did I dodge with an irrelevant flame?  Link please.  When was I asked to provide proof, but didn't?

[Rude]

Fishu....guess what?

We don't give a rats arse what you think....get it?

The folks in the twin towers didn't ask for what they got....if we have to jail 300,000 suspected or suspicious individuals to protect our homeland, then that's what we will do. The likes of you and your other whiney European friends who think the same can kiss our all American butts.

I'de say that about sums it up for me.

[Fishu]

Martlet,

What are you stirring there still? I already gave what you wanted.

When was I asked to provide proof, but didn't?

Since you put it that way..  how about proving Guantamo bay prison isn't in the violation of either human rights or international laws.

There hasn't been a need for that, since I'm not trying to be an arse and require stupid things from others.
But... as you like, I expect you to prove it and it's not enough said "it doesn't".
I'll forget common sense from now on with you.


Rude,

Nice to know the country of freedom (as far as freedom fries..?) is getting facistic signs on it.

This thing you speak of as 'protecting of homeland' isn't anymore just protecting, it's assaulting of others.

If it's so good to protect the homeland, how about rewriting the constitution and laws, to allow same treatment for the threats within america?
I mean, aren't those murderers and other criminals a bigger threat... every year they cause more harm to peace loving americans than the terrorists, with only one bad spike in there.

What about that american guy who blew up a goverment building and killed.. was it like in excess of couple hundred?
Can't remember anymore who or where in US it was..

Isn't it a reason to jail everyone for indefinite time if they're suspected of planning a murder or other serious crime?

[StSanta]

My sport eats your sport for breakfast Rude.

I am not entirely sure what this has got to do with this thread, but after reading the incredible amount of incoherent stupidity by various posters, I found it important to add my own.

EuroDroids kick AmeriDroids arses too. And the T101 isn't a cyborg; a cyborg is basically a human being whose body has been taken over in whole or in part by electromechanical devices. The Terminator is clearly an android.

So, because of this semantic issue, EuroDroids (as in Kryten from Red Dwarf) win because the AmeriDroids (which are actually imported modified EuroDroids with bad accents) are disqualified.

I am glad I could help settle the issues in this thread.

[Rude]

Originally posted by Fishu
Martlet,

What are you stirring there still? I already gave what you wanted.




Since you put it that way..  how about proving Guantamo bay prison isn't in the violation of either human rights or international laws.

There hasn't been a need for that, since I'm not trying to be an arse and require stupid things from others.
But... as you like, I expect you to prove it and it's not enough said "it doesn't".
I'll forget common sense from now on with you.


Rude,

Nice to know the country of freedom (as far as freedom fries..?) is getting facistic signs on it.

This thing you speak of as 'protecting of homeland' isn't anymore just protecting, it's assaulting of others.

If it's so good to protect the homeland, how about rewriting the constitution and laws, to allow same treatment for the threats within america?
I mean, aren't those murderers and other criminals a bigger threat... every year they cause more harm to peace loving americans than the terrorists, with only one bad spike in there.

What about that american guy who blew up a goverment building and killed.. was it like in excess of couple hundred?
Can't remember anymore who or where in US it was..

Isn't it a reason to jail everyone for indefinite time if they're suspected of planning a murder or other serious crime?

Bottom line is this....it's our business, not your's. You seem to think that your somehow involved in what we do....you're not. Tim is dead btw....another example of a practice which I'm sure you don't agree with, but again, we will do it our way and you can hate us until hell freezes over and it won't change a thing.

Oh....and don't think I have a personal problem with you as an individual, it's the mindset that irritates me. Ya see, I believe you're young.....when you're young, you're stupid....it's a fact. Now it's ok to be stupid when you're young, because you have not lived long enough to escape that tag, however, it's not ok to be stupid and then to think of yourself as smart....it's that combination, that breed posts like the ones you offer up.

A side note if I may.....some folks remain stupid all of their lives....you're not one of those folks are ya?

[Martlet]

Originally posted by Fishu
Martlet,

What are you stirring there still? I already gave what you wanted.




Since you put it that way..  how about proving Guantamo bay prison isn't in the violation of either human rights or international laws.

There hasn't been a need for that, since I'm not trying to be an arse and require stupid things from others.
But... as you like, I expect you to prove it and it's not enough said "it doesn't".
I'll forget common sense from now on with you.


 

You made the accusation, moron.  

Keep spouting your propaganda.   As I stated before, you're full of crap.  Every time you post you prove that.  You STILL haven't provided a single shred of evidence to support your accusations.

You keep making them, though.  When are you going to show me evidence of this:

...oh yeah Martlet, you just dodged the amnesty post last time with some irrelevant flame.

as I also asked?  Or is that just another baseless attack?

[Fishu]

I'm waiting you to prove what was asked.

You're saying the guantamo bay camp does not violate the laws, well.. prove it.

So far it looks like I've proven more than you have.
Therefore I have less need to prove than you do.
You haven't told me one thing how theres no laws violated, but asked more than enough from me.
So you better get better backing on your argument, since you're on the weaker side as you haven't proven anything, buddy.

Or will you perhaps admit to not giving proofs when asked to?